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Discussing the impact of Brexit

gavinhanly

Distinguished Member
So Brexit is now done, but that's really just the start of the new way of things in the UK. This thread is to discuss everything that comes next, good, bad and indiffernet (although if it's specifically about trade - there's a handy thread over here already).

A couple of unofficial general guidelines/requests (I'm not a mod, so these are personal requests):
  • Everyone's allowed a comment, good and bad. Just because they have a standpoint that's opposed to you, does not mean they are trolling
  • Could, should, might - all perfectly acceptable to use in the discussion, particularly given the different perspectives people have on this subject. Things will become clearer over the year, so as impacts become more likely it is perfectly acceptable to discuss them.
  • Try not to be the one to shut down debate. It's a forum, discussion is encouraged.
  • This is a subject that everyone is very, very enthused about. But do try to avoid personal attacks if at all possible.
  • That said, the ignore button is there if you're being wound up to the point of distraction.
  • And let's try to give up some of the usual put-downs of the past. I.e. try to leave those "Brexiteer" and "Remoaner" comments behind
  • As ever, @IronGiant is here to moderate if things get out of hand. We salute him for this.

OK - have at it!
 
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Bigfingers

Distinguished Member
So Brexit is now done, but that's really just the start of the new way of things in the UK. This thread is to discuss everything that comes next, good, bad and indiffernet (although if it's specifically about trade - there's a handy thread over here already).

A couple of unofficial general guidelines/requests (I'm not a mod, so these are personal requests):

  • Everyone's allowed a comment, good and bad. Just because they have a standpoint that's opposed to you, does not mean they are trolling
  • This is a subject that everyone is very, very enthused about. But do try to avoid personal attacks if at all possible.
  • That said, the ignore button is there if you're being wound up to the point of distraction.
  • And let's try to give up some of the usual put-downs of the past. I.e. try to leave those "Brexiteer" and "Remoaner" comments behind
  • As every @IronGiant is here to moderate if things get out of hand. We salute him for this.

OK - have at it!
If 90% of those requests are still in tact by the end of the first page, I salute you Sir! 😉
 

Greg Hook

Moderator & Reviewer
I admire your intent, but knowing the worse offenders on both sides of the debate, only banning them from this thread will allow the rest of us to debate it like adults. But you never know.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
Good thread Gavin :thumbsup:

Obviously a long way to go on Brexit and its associated fallout but there is already early evidence of the turbulence ahead. By way of example:

1. Diminished UK stature on the international stage has already enabled the EU to adopted a clear pro-Spanish position reference Gibraltar, a pro-Irish position for future trade and, through key leaders, expressed 'empathy' to Scotland.

2. The fluctuation of Sterling, which many hoped would end with the withdrawal agreement, have resurfaced and we can expect many more ups and downs as the future relationship talks progress.

3. The UK's seeming intent to diverge from the assertions it made in the Withdrawal Agreement threaten to undermine the credibility of the country in the international sphere.

Initial pointers then are things are looking pretty poor. And this is only day 4.
 

gavinhanly

Distinguished Member
2. The fluctuation of Sterling, which many hoped would end with the withdrawal agreement, have resurfaced and we can expect many more ups and downs as the future relationship talks progress.
I've been keeping a close eye on this one (mainly because of an LA holiday in April and regular trips back to Ireland). It's still very unstable as the reaction to Boris' comments yesterday showed. It's steadied off again but the market is still a little jittery at the moment.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
Another impact of Brexit is that has - at least for the moment - seemingly increased support for Independence in Scotland:

Probably best to discuss this in detail in the IndyRef2 thread but it certainly shows the Union of the UK is under pressure as a direct impact of Brexit.
 

mooperman

Distinguished Member
Its probably early days yet to really see any big changes... I dont think we'll see anything too dramatic this year either. Basically buy your PS5's on release cos i reckon next year could get bumpy :D
 

psikey

Distinguished Member
Another impact of Brexit is that has - at least for the moment - seemingly increased support for Independence in Scotland:

Probably best to discuss this in detail in the IndyRef2 thread but it certainly shows the Union of the UK is under pressure as a direct impact of Brexit.
Your trusting low number surveys after what GE delivered!
 

kav

Distinguished Member
Another impact of Brexit is that has - at least for the moment - seemingly increased support for Independence in Scotland:

Probably best to discuss this in detail in the IndyRef2 thread but it certainly shows the Union of the UK is under pressure as a direct impact of Brexit.
It won't really be visible to UK posters either but there is a GE in Ireland soon and Sinn Féin are making huge strides and now at top of many polls. Fine Gael have been the longstanding leading party, with Fianna Fáil second. The reason this could be significant is because Sinn Féin are the party for uniting Ireland, and nationalist parties have also taken a much bigger share of the vote in NI in the recent UK GE. Couple Westminster's general inability to understand Irish politics with the disgruntled unionist parties who would normally be defending their masters in London but now have much less appetite to do so, and the political landscape for the island of Ireland could see some significant changes in the coming years.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
It won't really be visible to UK posters either but there is a GE in Ireland soon and Sinn Féin are making huge strides and now at top of many polls. Fine Gael have been the longstanding leading party, with Fianna Fáil second. The reason this could be significant is because Sinn Féin are the party for uniting Ireland, and nationalist parties have also taken a much bigger share of the vote in NI in the recent UK GE. Couple Westminster's general inability to understand Irish politics with the disgruntled unionist parties who would normally be defending their masters in London but now have much less appetite to do so, and the political landscape for the island of Ireland could see some significant changes in the coming years.
That's interesting, thanks for sharing. Brexit putting pressure on the Union from all angles then.
 

gavinhanly

Distinguished Member
There's this too - unfortunately. I can totally understand why they've made this decision.


This is the important bit "Currently, we require UK cabin crew applicants to have the unrestricted right to live and work in the EU. However, we will revise and update this requirement before the transition period ends on 31 December 2020.”

So it could change - but this appears to be the current status. TBH - they could really have clarified this more. But then O Leary wasn't really a Brexit supporter...
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
There's this too - unfortunately. I can totally understand why they've made this decision.


This is the important bit "Currently, we require UK cabin crew applicants to have the unrestricted right to live and work in the EU. However, we will revise and update this requirement before the transition period ends on 31 December 2020.”

So it could change - but this appears to be the current status. TBH - they could really have clarified this more. But then O Leary wasn't really a Brexit supporter...
Disappointing but I don't think anyone can really blame Ryanair. They have interests across Europe and need a flexible and mobile workforce. Its unfortunate but UK citizens are a lot less employable today than they were yesterday. :(
 
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Rasczak

Distinguished Member
That's always been the case - nothing has changed. It was still a criteria before we even had the referendum.
The difference is, prior to Friday last week, UK citizens met that requirement. Now they don't (as their freedom of movement is currently capped for single nationality Brits on 31 December 2020).
 

Pacifico

Banned
The difference is, prior to Friday last week, UK citizens met that requirement. Now they don't (as their freedom of movement is currently capped for single nationality Brits on 31 December 2020).
Well they do currently meet the requirement. What happens at the end of the year nobody knows.

FWIW BA and Easy have exactly the same criteria and if at the end of the year, if UK citizens are no longer eligible for Ryanair, that means that all other EU citizens are no longer eligible for employment by those companies.

Its just another case of the Indy get all excited over what they perceive to be a negative of brexit (as usual) and fooling the easily gullible.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
Well they do currently meet the requirement. What happens at the end of the year nobody knows.

FWIW BA and Easy have exactly the same criteria and if at the end of the year, if UK citizens are no longer eligible for Ryanair, that means that all other EU citizens are no longer eligible for employment by those companies.

Its just another case of the Indy get all excited over what they perceive to be a negative of brexit (as usual) and fooling the easily gullible.
The point is, for single nationality Brits, it is end dated so they they no.longer meet the criteria - airlines are recruiting staff for permanent positions - not just for 10 months. It's a very real consequence for UK employees and will remain so until a deal is struck.
 

Pacifico

Banned
The point is, for single nationality Brits, it is end dated so they they no.longer meet the criteria - airlines are recruiting staff for permanent positions - not just for 10 months. It's a very real consequence for UK employees and will remain so until a deal is struck.
Well for cabin crew at a stroke it removes all competition from other EU applicants for jobs with UK based airlines. Yes, British citizens will not meet the criteria for an Irish airline like Ryanair but then citizens from the rest of Europe will no longer meet the criteria for employment by the likes of BA or Easy.

This is a 2-way street.
 

LM1405

Well-known Member
We're not even on page 2 and the Brexit nay sayers are out in force.

If Scotland want to leave let them.

If NI want to join Ireland let them.

As for the rest, let the EU do their worst.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
Well for cabin crew at a stroke it removes all competition from other EU applicants for jobs with UK based airlines. Yes, British citizens will not meet the criteria for an Irish airline like Ryanair but then citizens from the rest of Europe will no longer meet the criteria for employment by the likes of BA or Easy.

This is a 2-way street.
There is no requirement for BA or EasyJet to recruit UK workers. They may find more flexibility and longer term value in recruiting EU citizens or dual citizens as it will reduce future Visa burdens.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
We're not even on page 2 and the Brexit nay sayers are out in force.

If Scotland want to leave let them.

If NI want to join Ireland let them.

As for the rest, let the EU do their worst.
There is no nay-saying here - just people starting to observe the early day issues. Hopefully we can work closely with the EU to help us limit damage in these and other areas.
 

LM1405

Well-known Member
There is no requirement for BA or EasyJet to recruit UK workers. They may find more flexibility and longer term value in recruiting EU citizens or dual citizens as it will reduce future Visa burdens.
Isn't strange how Emirates are recruiting for the UK hubs when we've left.
 

LM1405

Well-known Member
There is no nay-saying here - just people starting to observe the early day issues. Hopefully we can work closely with the EU to help us limit damage in these and other areas.
No nay saying? Whatever. Just take a look at your posts. Negative does not cover it.
 

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