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Disc Problems after 18 months

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by dpiper, Dec 1, 2004.

  1. dpiper

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    undefined :rolleyes: Hi All,

    Is anyone else our there having problems with DVD-R discs after a period of time. I’ve made many excellent recordings via my Panny HS2, on good quality Verbatim discs, and stored these in the normal plastic DVD cases. I generally test the recording throughout before storing in my collection, and all that enter the collection play perfectly. HORROR, SHOCK … I’ve been playing a few of my earliest recordings recently and I’ve been dismayed to find that many are sowing picture break-up and freezing on playback. I’ve tried them on both my Panny and my Pioneer player and the problems still there. Is this the dreaded disc deterioration we’ve heard about?

    Also has anyone had problems with discs after applying a display label to the top side? You know the CD Stomper kind of thing.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Dave
     
  2. bigsby

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    Surprised to see no replies to this - I suppose it's good news?

    Having only had my E85 since April I don't feel qualified to answer, but has anyone else had problems 18-24 months?
     
  3. Bosco

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    I have heard of people experiencing problems after putting lables on disks but this is usually only in relation to the cheap brands. Stupid question but have you cleaned the disks recently?
     
  4. PhilipL

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    Hi

    It's the labels.

    The advice from anyone in the know is that labels are bad. Even if the discs played perfectly when you first put them on, over time the labels will absorb moisture or dry out and will shrink or expand. The adhesive may also dry and shrink. This results in your disc warping, and even though you may need specialist machinery to measure this, it will be enough to affect playback as it compounded by the fact the disc may also have wobbles introduced due to the label not being centre, and yes those ‘stomper’ things are not accurate enough to get the label absolutely central.

    As the discs have been stored in a warped condition, it is possible that evening removing the labels will not make them play again, that’s if in the process of removing the labels you don’t do more damage.

    Regards

    Philip
     
  5. father alice

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    See e85 dubbed dvd-r thread from 6/12/04 - nialli had the same problem, as did I!!

    label removal is a pain, but it is possible, and discs playback okay afterwards.
     
  6. pjclark1

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    some dvd-r media becomes unreadable within a month of burning.
    (I just had a 50 pack of Ritek G04 printable last less than 1 month after burning)
    but dvd-r media will becme unreadable instantly if you stick a paper label on it. Nothing to do with glue and warping tho, thats an old wife's tale.
    The paper thickness varies across the label and causes the disk to vibrate
    (similar to an unbalanced car tyre) The vibration stops the laser from tracking the "groove" correctly as it gets to the outer edge of the disk.

    To remove label, spray disk label with WD40, leave for 1/2 hour while the glue dissolves. Carefully peel off label, rinse disk in soapy water and pat dry with kitchen towl.
     
  7. phelings

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    Could this be another example of Panasonic's dislike of certain blanks.
    Labels are a bad idea.And even those white top printable discs can cause problems even with nothing printed on them.Beware!
     
  8. ferris57

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    coudn't agree more with everything already said. You can add sunlight, humidity, oil from your skin and general old age to the list of causes of disc failure. Also though be aware that dvd-r are super sensitive to tiny scratches (far more so than retail dvds). Fingerprints are enough to cause skipping/pixelation as well.

    also I always found my old panny recorder bad for creating pixelated discs. This never showed up on a fast forward or chapter skip through. It was never until I sat down weeks/months later to watch something that I'd be faced with pixelation (usually towards the end of a recording).

    I wouldn't worry too much though, even my pressed retail dvds are starting to rot as well so nothings safe :(
     
  9. nialli

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    I've done some tests with labelled and un-labelled discs over recent days and I think they're pretty conclusive: don't use labels. Doesn't matter how good the discs you use: if you stick labels on them you're asking for trouble.

    My Imation discs have labels. On playback they can play up from around 40 mins onwards. Normally ejecting the disc then re-inserting it sorts the problem. My laptop plays them fine, but that has the disc clamped rather than spun on a spindle, so it may be something to do with the balance of the disc as the laser travels outwards (the label unstabilising the DVD).
     
  10. SDHoward

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    hmm... perhaps I should back up all my DVD's onto VHS tape :)
     
  11. Bosco

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    What are you on about? Every machine out there has a dislike of one form of disk or another, cheap disks with cheap dyes = poor reliability, I don't think that this is a Panasonic only related problem. I had a Sony burner in my PC and it just would not use Datawrite Red disks because 1. They were cheap and 2. The dye used on these disks was cheap too. May I also add that both of my Pioneer players will not play any of my Ritek GO5 disks if recorded at 8X but my very old Sony 535, my portable Shinco 1731A and my PC will; every machine has its problems with some dyes on some disks, it doesn't matter which brand they are it's all down to the dye used i.e. princo, CMC, MCC, Ritek etc
     

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