Digi's Home Cinema Progress Thread

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  1. digisocialist

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    In the vain of so many before me I thought it finally worth while posting some pics of the H/C room as it rises from the dust. As I have posted in other threads a fairly comprehensive outline of the project, I'll stick to pictures and brief updates here.

    So I have finally started with the building work... here's what I have so far.

    Pic 1
    Shows in the foreground, Mark Grant Component Cable dropping out from Gromit where PJ will be mounted and in the distance (9.5ft away) the wall where the projected image will be.
     

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    Pic 2 shows the wall where the LCD TV will be mounted. I've run S-Video Cable in for ease of installation (as AV kit will be at the opposite side of the room). From Left to Right - Speaker Cable run (for Rear Left Speaker), that's the bit that goes at a right angle towards the back wall. Next is Cable Box for S-Video and RCA Audio, Next is cable box for Coax TV Ariel, Next is Rocker Switch for the WELL Light.
     

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    Pic 3, 4 & 5 show The WELL. I have lowered the well to just below floor level and pointed in the top layer of dry stone. I mixed some black granet chippings into a firm concrete mix and layered this about 3" thick before lowering in the steel angle ring. This is pointed in with a standard cement mix to get a smooth surface. I'm not sure wether you can notice, but I have also positioned a small LED light (permanent fixing) which is housed in an IP67 rated steel barrel, wired back to the rocker switch. The Glass Floor will not be dropped into the steel ring until I have finished doing the building work. I've also built a curved breeze block wall behind the well to follow it's contour which is yet to be plastered.
     

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    Pic 6 & 7 shows the cellar window on the left hand wall as you face the screen wall. I need to find some way of blacking this out which also gets the wife's approval.
     

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    Try wooden shuttering. V smart and fairly cost effective.

    CH
     
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    Pic 8
    Shows the back wall again. With the throw distance I have I should just be able to squeeze in on a 5ft screen (though I'm looking at a painted wall as an interim measure). I've approximated 75"x45" for the image size. I'm building a stud partition in front of the existing wall to get a completely level wall and smooth surface, this is reducing my throw by approx 4".

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    Shows the far right hand corner of the room (adjacent to the back wall where the projected image will be). Currently this houses a Washing Machine and Dryer. I'm having a custom made unit built around the utilities to hide them from view and to give me a solid surface on which to mount an AV cabinet for house the kit. You can see in the top right hand corner the cable which runs up into the ceiling. This currently comprises all of the speaker cables, the Component cable, S-Video Cable and RCA audio which all go to their appropriate destinations throughout the room.
    I'm struggling to find an AV cabinet which will fit in this space. I need something which has lockable front doors (mesh panels for using a remote) and which is small enough to fit in the gap (60"Dx80"Hx140"W Max).
     

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    BTW for some reason the digital camera I borrowed to take these is showing the wrong date (don't know how to change it). All these were taken yesterday and today.

    I've to finish my stud wall next weekend and concerete behind the well breeze block wall. Once this is done the plasterer is coming to skim the entire room! This means I'll be ready for getting carpets in and decorating started in a fortnight (I hope). I can't get all my AV kit yet anyway (will have to purchase over the next couple of months to spread the cost) but I'll keep this thread updated.

    Any comments on last minute additions before the plasterer comes in for final finish PLEASE SHOUT! I'd hate to miss a cable or something and have to re cable once the plastering has been done.

    :)
     
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    Well, I'm moving ever closer. I now have the plastering work completed and am ready to start painting the walls! The joiner has been in and measured up to install some nice wooden seating all the way around the sill (see pics) and for the utilities cabinet (to hide the utilities from view). The glass floor is finally in over the well, which also means I'm ready to start ordering a carpet!

    Here's what I would like advice on next. The wall that I will be projecting onto (see pics) will be painted white/off white initially. However, I need to paint the area where the projected image will be (can't afford a screen just yet). So, what colour/base coat should I paint the screen on the back wall? I'm looking for easily accesible products (likely to be at B&Q on Saturday).

    Thanks in advance.
     

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    With regard to screen paint I went for Icestorm 5 but I honestly think it is too dark a grey, I would choose Icestorm 6 if I could be bothered to do it again but it took me ages to get a smooth finish by rollering it on at first then smoothing it out with a pad. The paint counter at B&Q will rustle some up for you...
     
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    Decadence, thanks for the suggestion. So, do I simply ask B&Q to mix me a can of 'Icestorm 6' and they will know what I mean? Or should I be asking for a specific mix of colours, in which case what are the mix ratios and of which clours etc?
     
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    You'll find colour cards at the isle with paint mixing thing on. Look for the icestorm (1 to 6) card and show the chap.

    Cheers
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    Thanks Rich - I finally understand what people are talking about now. ICESTORM 6 (DULUX) http://www.dulux.co.uk/webapp/wcs/s...md?langId=-1&storeId=10752&colourNumber=12632

    It would have been easier if the above link had been posted somehwere before. I've searched a few threads and noted many people asking the same question and some 'colourful' descirptions of what 'Icestorm' is. A sticky of the above link (same applies to GOO - http://www.goosystems.com/cgi-bin/ic/goosystems/screengoo) would have made the job easier.
     
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    You probably won't need to search out the relevant card, I just went up and asked for Icestorm 5 and they knew what I was talking about! Just take your time when putting it on the wall and you should get a perfect finish.
     
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    You probably won't be able to get a colour card from B&Q. I've been to two B&Q warehouses and neither has a Dulux colour chart that showed the Icestorm range.
     
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    Its looking good! I know its got little to do with the AV side of things, but the well looks brilliant - wish I had one! :)
     
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    Thanks Moviemike :) Yes, the Well has the effect of a piece of archaeology (what I was going for, so am pleased) and the Blue LED gives it a bit of a haunting low when all lights are off. It may make for an interesting feature if ever watching 'The Ring', or other similarly scary movie involving a Well.

    I'm now in the 'what colour do I paint my room'? dilema. I'm under pressure because I have a joiner coming in really soon to start fitting the window seats etc and need to get the walls painted etc.
     
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    Well things are moving along so thought it worthwhile posting an update. I have now had the cabinet fitted and wooden seating around the room. Most walls have had their base coat of matt white and I have also put the F&B 'Ball Green' top 2 coats on some walls. Ceiling is painted, though have another coat to put on the beam. Back walls in the recesses have to be painted F&B Pantalon. Skirting boards are up, though two have yet to have their primer and the others have had both primer and 1 top coat. Still a fair bit of touching up to do once final coats of paint are on. Hopefully I should have all the niggly bits finished by x-mas which then leaves only carpeting and furniture to move in - and of course AV Kit!
     

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    That has come along very well. I like the well in the cellar, that is a nice feature, i dont think i would get the same effect putting a glass cover over my sump though.

    Did you decide on a pj in the end?
     
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    Inzaman - Not yet. I'm still very much pulled towards the 4805. The Vertical Offset being the biggest spaner in the works but the Hi Fi shope set this wouldn't be an issue and they could set it up for me. I'm also now trying to work out whether intelligent resizing to 1024x768 means it would have to upscale for HDTV or whether this is not an issue. The attached Pic shows where it will be mounted. You can see as one descends into the cellar there may be a minor head hazard with the PJ!!

    I am pretty set on the Denon 2805, 1910 and the Castle Cc3 Sub Sats.. getting there. Don't hold your breath though, I'm still likely to be pontificating next spring!
     

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    Just thought I'd add one of the well illuminated. It's quite difficult to get a picture showing the real effect as use of camera is without flash and there's still daylight washing out the image... but it gives an impression
     

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    ..and another. I know these aren't AV related..but it's part of the 'mood' lighting in the cinema.
     

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    Wow what a fantastic feature :thumbsup:

    The mood lighting looks really :cool:

    Cant wait to see the next set of progress pictures :D

    Seeing other 'work in progress' threads is great for different ideas and variations on the same theme, helps keep my pecker up :eek: and proves it will be worth it in the end

    Jam
     
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    Thanks Jam. The threads keep me motivated too and it's always nice to get a bit of feedback... keeps one sane after nights of painting in a cold cellar (Cinema :D ).

    I'm absolutely itching to get my AV kit but can't afford just yet...not until I've at east placated the wife with a carpet first. Must admit tho', the wife is now startin to love it... I think I've got a good balance between HC room and everyday room :).

    Unbeatable are doing Denon Bundles at teh mo with a no pay option for 9 months at 0% APR.... very tempting :devil:
     
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    This has been a really interesting project to follow digi. Keep up the good work.

    Just for your information, if you're still thinking about kit, a friend of mine has just bought the Denon AVR-2105 with some MS Genies. Sounded very impressive.

    Were you never tempted to make that well into a big sub?!

    Hatcher
     
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    Hatcher - Thanks :smashin: The Well as a SUB is a top idea. Perhaps I should contact SVS and set them a chellenge i.e. get the acoustics right in a 12ft deep sealed well and I might get the worlds first semi sub marine sub for free.... might make a great marketing gimick for them!

    I've demo'd the Denon 2805 and was impressed. For budgetary reasons the 1910 is on my list at the moment but I'm slowly switching onto the idea of going for the 2910 (HDMI.DVI :D ). The Castles are a definate because the Wife loves them. The 4805 is also a strong front runner but I'm waiting for Ben to get the H57 in for demo. If I could demo the new Sony HS50 I'd demo that too (just to balance things up) but no where I know of in W Yorks has them.
     
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    I've got a 2105 too. and I was really pleased with it when I had a demo of it. Hopefully I'll be trying out in my AV room this weekend! :D

    Out of interest what have you got on the floor - is it ceramic tiles? Are you going to carpet over them or buy a rug (only ask because I'm guessing that the acoustics are pretty hollow without something to absorb the sound).
     
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    Moviemike - Correct the floor is ceramic tiling but this just adds an additional layer of waterproofing/protection ontop of the concrete base which is about 4" thick above the waterproof liner. I'm putting down rubber backed underlay which is really thick, it's about the best underlay you can get. This will insulate the floor and stop the grid lines from the tiles showing through when the carpet goes down. You are right at the moment the acoustics have masses of echo. I think however that as I have introduced a fair bit of wood, and will be putting down thick underlay and carpet followed by some soft furnishings (2 seater sofa + some beanbags) the acoustics will improve. I must admit though, it won't be 100% ideal.
     
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    As you have mentioned about the cellar (sorry cinema) being cold what are you going to use for heating?
     
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    Inzaman - We have a socket for a night storage heater which runs off economy 7. I've removed the old heater because it was quite big and bulky, though did throw out quite some heat. I'm now looking at slimline storage heaters to fit, something along the lines of...
    http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/UNWMS712.html
     
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    Guy's please help me out as I think I am now going mad! :eek:

    Having now cabled out my room I am getting seriously worried that I have done this all wrong. Please look at the attached sketch.

    Position A is where all the AV kit will be. The only cabling at this point are the speaker cables, S-Video, Component, RCA Phono.

    Position B is where the PJ will be. The only cabling to this point is Component.

    Position C is where my LCD TV will be. The only cabling to this point is S-Vid & RCA Phono.

    Now, I'm seriously about to plunge in and Buy the Denon AVR3805 & 2910.. (I just can't justify buying the 1910). I'm doing this because I want the best possible DVD I can get for my money and want HDMI future operability.

    Now, am I simply not going to get anything out of the 2910 of decent quality over the S-Vid cable to the TV point?

    I presume I can use Progressive over Component to the PJ for now which will be good BUT to use DVI I'll have to run a cable across the ceiling :mad:

    If I want to get a better picture to my TV, should I move my TV to position D and either buy a 3m SCART and run it along the skirting and up the wall OR would it be better to run Component Progressive from the 2910 to the TV? TV doesn't have DVI.

    I'm stressing now. I'm p****d with myself because I spent ages looking at connections months ago. I was pretty damn sure that 6 months ago Component was considered the best way to go & I knew I couldn't cable SCART to the other side of the room to the TV, so settles on S-vid as this was easy to cable in the walls. Now I'm about to get a decent DVD I'm thinking I should use the highest possible signal output I can get, which now doesn't see to fit with what I have done.

    Can someone suggest options to me OR calm my fears and tell me it will be alright.
     

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