Bargain DENON Studio Monitors - Less Than Half-Price

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  1. BlueWizard

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    Whether they are worth £400/pr is debatable, but it doesn't take much to make them worth £198/pr with heavy duty stands and free shipping.

    Eagerly awaiting your report.

    Steve/bluewizard
     
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    Yeah I wouldn't have considered them at the full retail price, they seem a bargain at £198 with stands whatever way you look at them, now just the wait until they arrive!
     
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    Considering the best that can be had for that price is say a pair of Wharfedales 9.0s or possible 9.1s and a CA amp, I think you'll be happy with them at a guess.

    And I'm very fond of the inexpensive CA amps and the cheaper Wharfedales.

    As an aside, as the CA Topaz 1 and Wharfedales 9.0s come in at £120 at Richer Sounds I can't imagine why people buy speaker docks and the like?

    I bought exactly that combination for my 7year old nephew when I was very poor. In his room it's really something else. Either side of his tv his games explode with zest. Even cartoons sound cool. He loves them. :clap:
     
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    I'm sure he does at 7 years old I don't think I even had headphones haha. I had a old CA amp running a pair of Bose 301's in the loft for 9 years they really are great value amps I'm sure it would have kept on running but I ended up replacing it with the Sonos connect Amp.
     
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    I wonder if these will compete with the JBL LSR305? Which also get great reviews at a similar price.
     
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    They have bigger woofers, especially the 8 version. The jbls have tons of rave reviews though.
     
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    Have pulled the trigger on a pair of the 6" and a pair of the 8". Curious to see how they sound!
     
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    Thanks to kc5819w and bluewizard for their feedback. I'm tempted to also order a pair of the JBL LSR305s for a home comparison, despite their 5" woofer, as the bass response seems to be very similar and they do get good reviews.
     
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    I'll be very interested to hear what these are like. Keep us updated.
     
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    Will do!
     
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    Can anyone suggest where the cheapest place to buy a pair of the JBL speakers in the UK is at the moment? G4M has them for £260 / pair but on youtube people say you could get them last year for £200 / pair. Maybe the GPB:USD exchange rate collapse has altered the price?

    EDIT - found them for £225 here. Maybe I'll ask G4M to do a price match. JBL LSR305 Professional Studio Monitors (Pair) | DV247
     
  12. kc5819w

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    They've fluctuated in price since coming out around £100 each. Their design (especially the electronics) are rather advanced so they are great value.
     
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    The description of the Denon is not entirely reassuring...: "The two-way DN-308S is a premium bi-amplified loudspeaker, designed to support presentations, meetings and critical multimedia playback".

    I want these for music & movies, not meetings...!
     
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    Mmm yeah, it seems like they are marketing them as a professional PA speaker, maybe that why there are no reviews around, anyway at 8" and 130WRMS I'm pretty sure they will be really good with music and movies. Will find out soon.
     
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    It's simply not possible to design a speaker 'for meetings'.

    A speaker is a speaker...

    I can understand a reviewer stating that they are only 'good enough' for presentations. Perhaps. But it sounds like an idiot sales man spiel.

    It seems hugely unlikely to me that Denon could get anything so wrong that it's actually crap. They've been around a bit.

    Even if they are just 'average' £400 active speakers they'll still be pretty good. And at half price it's hard to see how they could be anything other than a bargain.

    Certainly I hope so :thumbsup:
     
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    As you say, might this not be a discreet way of saying "they're OK, but only good enough for presentations"? Damning with faint praise?

    Sound quality doesn't really matter for work meetings, only volume. We use a mega expensive audio system at work for presentations and video conferences, and the speakers sometimes sound like a bag of rusty nails being dragged uphill by an asthmatic donkey. But colleagues only get upset if it breaks.
     
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    I just noticed that.

    It looks like a bullet proof grille. Even toddlers would struggle to destroy that despite their mad skills.
     
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    Denon Pro are owned by the same company that also owns M-Audio so I guess they might be similar. Amp panel and drivers look very prevous gen M-audio BX series.
     
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    Good spot. On further inspection, the Denon DN-308 appears to be a near-clone of the M-Audio BX8 Carbon. The specs pages are also almost word-for-word copies:

    Denon Professional - DN-308S
    M-Audio

    Similarities:
    • Rear panels: identical layout, port size and placement and controls/inputs etc
    • Dimensions: both 305 x 254 x 381 mm
    • Amplifers: both A/B, with 70W woofer amp and 60w tweeter amp
    • Connectors: both: 1 x XLR balanced input connector and 1 x TRS balanced/unbalanced input connector
    • Crossover: both 2.2khz
    • Frequency response: both 38Hz to 22kHz
    • Woofer: both 8-inch (203 mm) Kevlar curved cone with high temperature voice coil and damped rubber surround, magnetically shielded
    • Tweeter: both 1.25" tweeter
    • Polarity: both Positive signal at + input produce outward LF cone displacement
    • Input Impedance: both 20 Ka balanced, 10 Ka unbalanced
    • Protection: Both have RF interference, output current limiting, over temperature, turnon/off transient, subsonic filter, external mains fuse.
    • I'm stopping here
    Differences:
    • Weight: 10.7kg (DN-308) vs 11.97kg (BX8)
    BX8 Carbon gets good reviews but is quoted as lacking mid range. Given the BX8 carbon can be had for <£200 a pair would I be correct in thinking the denon @ £180/pair is not such an amazing bargain, in fact just the regular price (and also an overall lighter speaker)?

    If so, on this basis I will likely cancel :(
     
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    Reviews are useful, but not definitive.

    Also the Denon appears to have a noticeably different waveguide so they won't sound the same as the M-Audios. Though it seems there'll be similarities possible.
     
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    It's more the pricing; the BX8 can be had for £200 a pair, which suggests the Denons may not really be £400 speakers...
     
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    That could be down to marketing. Also they may share similar parts but a volkswagon golf is not a Seat Leon. The fact that they have a metal grille etc and they do look more domestic may add to cost.

    A point that might or might not matter is that any defects that a review may spot might just be in relation to Mixing, as most of these monitors are made for that. In real life music listening this may not be as critical. While they may or may not sound similar to the dx8s, the Dx8s generally get positive reviews. Sometimes a glut of 4 star reviews is more useful than a few fan boy 5 star reviews
     
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    That's true, but I found a few forum postings by people who had listened to both the JBL LSR 305 / 308 and the M-Audio BX8 (which comes in a few different variants). The universal view was that the JBLs are better. The JBL 305 is £200 and the £308 is more like £350, so more expensive, but not by much, and I'm after the value for money quality sweet-spot (not cheapness).

    I'm half tempted to order the 305, 308, Denon 8" (and the Mackie 8" for good measure) listen to them all and keep the one I like and send back the others, but that might be a bit unfair on the store.
     
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    How big is your room?
     
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    As far as reviews are concerned, the jbl LSR speakers seem to be the ones to get. They have the most advanced amplifiers of any budget active I think.
     
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    I missed that. Why not stick with your order, forget about reviews for a few days and try them out, then return if not happy. You can't lose here with the 30 day return, Denon have a good reputation for making good gear, you can be the first online review :)
     
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    I might do that, and order a pair of the JBL LSR 305s as well, so I can compare. The 308s are probably overkill for my needs, especially as I plan to buy a (probably BK) sub woofer as well.
     
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    You might want to consider resale value. I'm one of the few people who didn't like the JBL 305's but I did get nearly all my money back when I sold them.
     
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    I haven't got around to replacing the JBL's yet, I'm going to try and get a demo of some Yamaha monitors.
     

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