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Denon? Pioneer? Harman Kardon?

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by swb99, Oct 23, 2003.

  1. swb99

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    Folks, i'm a first time 'poster' & hope you guys can help me out!
    I'm looking at getting an amp & speakers & need help with the amp.
    I'm getting the Celestion Soundstyle 5 speaker set up & substituting the sub for a Vibe Alpha 1 as the guy in the shop said the celestion sub is pants in comparison - for the same money. My DVD is a pioneer 656.
    The AV amps i'm interested in are
    Harman Kardon AVR 2550
    Denon AVR 1804
    Pioneer VSX D812

    I demo'd the H/K & denon with the speakers but wasn't able to try the pioneer as they don't stock them. I felt the HK had a more detailed quality sound compared to the denon which was loud but a bit flat next to the H/K. As i have been unable so far to find a place that can set up the pioneer with the celestions i wondered if you guys had any particular opinons.
    If you have any other suggestions that would be cool too.
    Price for the amp £300 - £400
    Thanks
     
  2. hornydragon

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    SWB the Harman is a great receiver for the money!
    what will you connect to the amp? what display are you using? I agree with swapping out the celestion sub the Vibe is not IMHO the best sub at that price!
     
  3. Dimmy

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    I'd definitely suggest you try some of the marantz receivers in your price bracket..

    The sr4/5300 and sr4/5400 both have hugely powerful outputs with all channels driven and have an extremely composed and detailed sound at the highest of volumes.

    The only problem with the Marantz receivers is that (probably due to poor processing) they don't place effects in surround soundstages as well as the Denons/HKs/Pioneers.

    If it were my money, it'd be between the Pioneer, Marantz and Denon (I own a Denon 1803 if that helps).
     
  4. hornydragon

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    Personnaly i rate HK above Marrantz on power and build quality also prefer the look of the HK personally think it ooks better in black but is available in silver
     
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    Yeah that's the only thing I don't like about HK, the aesthetics. Build quality's fantastic, but the receivers are still pig ugly.

    The marantz receivers (that I've toyed with) have had abysmal build.

    Still - not as bad as Yamaha's.
     
  6. hornydragon

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    Dimmy do think yam build is worse than Marrantz?
    There is a very limited edition HK that is much nicer looking, I'll post a pick if i could find onw!
     
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    Dimmy,
    Can you explain what you mean by this, in down to earth practical terms?
    Cheers.
     
  8. Dimmy

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    It's been my experience that the finish & construction quality of all Yamaha receivers I've encounted has been truly terrible. Such to the extent that I've chosen (regardless of sound quality) to not buy Yamaha receivers because their finish is vile.

    The finish of Marantz receivers certainately looks better, but isn't of much better quality than the Yamaha's IMHO. But the construction is considerably superior.
     
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    Sorry to dissagree, there, but I think Yamaha kit is built fine. The higher spec models, like the "A" range are built like tanks. I had a demo of a Yamaha AX1 and Denon A10SE and the Yammy beat the Denon as far as build quality goes. Please explain why Yammy build quality is "vile". Was the volume knob hanging out, the top cover loose or what?

    Yamaha Build quality is not better or worse than marantz, on the whole.

    h/k amps are a piece of class as far as sound quality goes (that's why I have one ;) . Surely this takes priority over aesthetics?

    Russell
     
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    Dragon,

    Are all the HK receivers available in the special edition finish? Thinking 5550 in particular.

    Thanks
     
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    Wow, thanks for all those replys guys.
    hornydragon, what sub are you talking about mate?
    All i'm connecting is the dvd player & xbox, my tv in a Loewe aconda (unfortunatly!!)
    So the H/K is the boss then at that price - now i need to find out if the feet come off it as my unit isn't tall enough to house it!
    Dimmy, i had originally considered the Marantz but ruled them out cos the others were reviewed better.
    There is so much choice but nowhere to compare them in the flesh!
     
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    Russell - all Yamaha receivers I've encountered (from the RXV440RDS through to the DSPAZ2 and RXV1300RDS) have all had disgusting plastic finishes and an appearence which resembles the finish you'd find on children's toys - cheap & plastic.

    Whilst aesthetics are not primarily important to me, they do have some significance, so Yamahas were a No No.

    I didn't buy a HK because when it came to buying my receiver a few months back, the shop I bought from didn't have any HK receivers in stock.

    The finish of my 1803 matches my DVD2800mkII, which helps.

    swb99 - I suggested Marantz for the quality of their amplification, but agree with reviewers that Marantz receivers are a little 'lazy' when it comes to rear-image placement :).
     
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    ? all Yamaha receivers (in black at least) are metal finished from the 6 series up. I've never encountered anything less than very robust engineering indeed. In my experience (which extends to selling the bloody things and more recently comparitive testing), I would point the finger at Denon for the most common finish problems on their cheaper receivers- the 180* series in particular seemed blighted by poor button response and shoddy RCA terminals.
    Given that both companies produce 1.5 million of the things worldwide, you'll always get some friday examples.
     
  14. hornydragon

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    No only HK2550, 505, 507, are availbe I think 507 is similar to AVR4550/5550 7.1 be bloddy lucky to get one though and 505 is 2550/3550 5.1 unit There is a Harman pull out in WHS&V November with Ltd kit in it is very sexy!!!
    Sub Cicra £300 MJ Pro 50 MS309 Velo VX10 etc I personally think Vibe look and sound cheap!
     
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    thanks again guys
     
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    HornyDragon

    I've been drooling over the HK AVR 505 Ltd Edition in the supplement that came with this month's WHSF&V. Any Ideas where I might be able to get hold of one?

    Duncan
     
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    We have ordered some for stock!
    Local dealer is best bet mate 507 i think were all! presold at the berlin trade show
     
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    Hornydragon,
    Did you find that picture you were referring to? I didn't get that supplement that pictured the 507 with this month's WHFS&V.:(
    I presume we're talking of November's Awards ed. (Is December's even out yet??) Would love to see what the 507 looks like though. I don't really like the look of the black ones, to be honest.
    Jim
     
  19. hornydragon

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    Jim Pm me your email i'll scan and mail it to you are you on BB?
     
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    Here it is best PQ i could manage guys

    Ooops that didnt work how do i post a oicture?
     
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    The special editions look like this I think? Looks very nice indeed, though I think the old style is pretty good too - kinda original.

    Russell
     
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    they are similar that is a US only model the 50th anniversary stuff is 505 5.1 amp 507 7.1 AMP DVD506 Slimline PAL Prog Scan palyer. As well as the Silver 2550 and DVD25
     
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    That looks pretty nice, certainately an improvement over 'old style' HK aesthetics.

    I still prefer my Denon however :)
     
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    omg that's nice! :eek:
     
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    I have to diagree with the statement that Marantz Receivers are of abismal build.......

    They are fantastic receivers... i have had the 5300, 7300 and now the 9300

    True, I am looking to upgrade to a Rotel Pre/Power system......

    The marantz are way, way better build that the yamaha amp that a freind has and harman kardon........ well what can i say.... american and it looks it..... plastic, and more flashing lights than las vegas!

    I suppose its what you like..... really you shouldn't be asking for recommendations... i suggest you get yourself to a local dealer, take your speakers with you if you want and get them to trial the amp with the source you have/want...... that's the ONLY way to pick the system you want..... at the end of the day, its you who will be living with the system and you should build a system around the style of sound you like.

    P.S. also take some source media .... favourite DVD / CD etc... for them to spin... also don't forget decent cables!
     

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