Denon AVR-X6200W 9.2 Channel AV Receiver Review

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    1. Phil Hinton

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      When will we ditch all those connectors we don't need? Is there any kit out there with just HDMI and optical connecors? We still need the Speaker terminals, triggers and ethernet but I'm sure the rest of the connections can go.
       
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      Where would trendy people connect their turntables?! :nono:
       
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      Indeed.
      That is partially how they make more profit. Forcing multiple analogue connections on us when we only need one, if even, for each input. Every ounce of these chunks of tech carries a profit I would imagine.

      Have to say Denon seemed to have really stepped it up with their recent AV amps imo.
       
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      Actually it seems to be good idea for those who are purely on digital it could be cheaper and at the same time the AVR manufacturer can still retain the full spec model.
       
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      Yep, fed up paying for connections and stuff I'll never use and this year I bought a much cheaper amp because I have no use for Atmos or 9.1, or even 7.1 or 15.3!! AV amps need to get with the programme - update the design to something more modern and give people more choice. And, AV amps don't have to be that shape for God's sake. I'd like something other than a massive chunk of metal and plastic. Are you listening amp designers??
       
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      How much better is the Denon AVR-X6200W than the Marantz 7010? You rightly suggest @Phil Hinton that the 7010 is key alternative. For ~£400 difference I'd have thought the Denon would need to be significantly better. But it doesn't look it is?

      Also - you've tested with out room EQ. Surely most listening will be with room EQ, so at least some comments on its performance with and withoutEQ would be crucial to a complete review? For example, if you reviewed the Arcam 850 without Dirac or the Anthem without ARC, it would be a significant gap in the review - I'd have thought the same would be true for Audyssey?
       
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      Atmos and DTS:X haven't lead to an increase in prices being charged for AV receivers. Receivers targeted at the same level of consumer were roughly the same price as being charged now prior to the advent of the new formats. As to the analogue inputs then there are now fewer such options on the receivers and I'd not expect the savings the manufacturer makes by omiting analogue options to be passed on to the consumer? They are more likely to absorb that saving into their own profits.

      The dimensions and shape is not something many would want to be something other than it is or has been. The dimensions are in alignment with what would be conducive with hifi components and most of the specialist furniture used to house components is made with this in mind.
       
    9. Phil Hinton

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      I tested with and without EQ and I liked the fact that the new suite of Audyssey tools included better subwoofer measurement. It is a decent system for use by some users in difficult rooms or for trimming a system in a well put together room. I happen to prefer no EQ in a room I have treated and used for over 15 years now and know very well. I do however test for some of the review with the EQ and if it is a major selling point, like the recent Dirac Arcam models, it will be a major part of the review, as it was in Steve's reviews. Audyssey is a well known proposition these days so it doesn't need over the top attention, unless there is a major change for the positive or negative.
       
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      It may not lead to a price increase but Atmos requires more speaker terminals, as opposed to 5.1, and, therefore, a bigger amp. We may not be paying more but there is an inconvenience cost here as a 9.2 amp will have to be bulkier than a 5.1. I know Marantz do a slim down versions of some of their stuff but what we need is a slimmed down version which has the same spec as the 7010. So basically a 7010 without all those speaker terminals and the other guff we don't always need. And all the manufacturers need to do it, not just Marantz.
       
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      There is some truth in what @LX200GPS says. I may be in the minority but I just use HDMI and optical. Perhaps in the future I'll get a stand alone CD player and make use of the analogue inputs, but two channel stereo from my DBT 3313 sounds pretty good to me. As for all the on-line stuff and bluetooth, I'm never going down that path, far far too old in the tooth.

      It's a good unit, well built and I've been very impressed with the sound quality and the ease of setting it up. As for the Audyssey the XT32 has certainly helped in the off axis listening enjoyment over the more basic programme I had in my old Denon 2310. This is the best and most expensive AVR I've ever owned so it certainly does sound better than any thing owned prior to it. Comparrisons I'll leave to the experts.

      @Phil Hinton I would have liked to have seen a review with the Denon DBT 3313 hooked up for your assessment of the effect of the Denon Link. Do you think that makes a difference to SQ. Like I said in the previous paragraph my experience is extremely limited.
       
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      When I reviewed the DBT3313 I connected it to the AVR 4520 using Denon Link HD and whilst I found it to be an effective connection, I can't say there was a huge difference between that and other digital connections. I wouldn't buy a product just for Denon Link but it's a nice thing to have if you own compatible products - Denon DBT-3313 Universal Blu-ray Player Review
       
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      I have connected the 3313 and the 6200 with Denon Link, cable was in with the 3313, so why not, except for that annoyingly bright blue confirmation light. Not the main reason for buying the 6200 as there too many compromises to be made in trying to fit a Marantz 7010 into my cabinet. Not regretting getting the Denon, lovely beast.
       
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      I'm happy to be in a minority of one here! I do like having all the old-fashioned connectors, even though I seldom, if ever, use them. However, one type of connector that seems to be missing on this machine, and which i do sometimes use in all four of my systems, is 7.1 multichannel analogue inputs, which are also missing on the Yamaha RX-A3050. Can Mr Hinton confirm this sad news, it wasn't clear from the review if they were there or not.

      @Steve Withers and @Phil Hinton - gentlemen, I realise that you reviewed separate models, but apart from the 7.1 inputs what does the Denon X7200WA, £700 more expensive, have that this machine lacks, please?
       
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      Mmmm, almost certainly not.
       
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      I too have recently purchased this amp and I have been very impressed with it so far. I only use it for home theatre duties but I wanted an amp capable of Atmos 5.1.4 and this fitted the bill. It's the same size as my previous 5.1 amp and, whilst I am still dialling in the settings, I ha e found it excellent in the movie dept. Highly recommended here!
       
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      You say thats what 'we' need but actually, thats what 'you' need.

      Manufacturers have a range of products and a good range of price levels as thats what works. To create a bespoke product, such as what you describe, will only sell in limited numbers. Because of economies of scale, that bespoke product won't be cheaper anyway and you would be left asking 'why am I not getting a good saving by going for a stripped down version of a more expensive amp'. Unless the manufacturer will make money decent from it, they won't make it.

      Marantz have the 1604 amp, Yamaha have the 5.1 and 7.1 Aventage amps so there is some choice there already. But if you want the best processing, amplifiers and EQ, you have no option but to buy the upper tier models.
       
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      The SR7010 can be had for under a £1k these days, so more than £400 difference
       
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      It would be very interesting to see if the Denon can justify the price difference (as stands roughly £500). On paper I cannot see it but we all know that doesn't tell the whole story.

      would be nice to have a proper comparison.
       
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      Just purchased this amp and it arrives next week. Got a good part ex on my x4100 from Peter Tyson.
       
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      Flagships tend to have the best of what a manufacturer can offer including both components and build which all add up. That's why they are flagships and command a premium. There is no point pretending the 6200 is just the 7200 in all but name. Whether the improvements are worth the extra money is up to the individual but I wouldn't deny they exist, that wouldn't make sense.
       
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      I just loved the picture of the empty room with a couch and the tv screen and a shed load of speakers.... the modest 5.1 setup i have does not pass the WAF never mind that number of speakers. This is the last gasp of a dying tech..... More inventive use of speakers rather than more speakers is way forward for me.
       
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      Correct and hence why there is the option of the x1200 upwards with less connectivity
       
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      The Marantz 7010 is mentioned as an alternative but then no opinion as to how it compares.

      I have to advice a close friend on a mid level system and would really appreciate some light shed on this.

      Thanks
       
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      I haven't heard the SR7010 in this room, so I can't give you a full comparison. It is hard enough to source review samples and most of the time getting one or two to compare is rare, certainly at the same time. I suggest you try to find a dealer with both and demo them together for yourself.
       
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      All I've heard is the marantz is better with music, but I'm not convinced. Denon and marantz use similar parts, if not the same, they are sister companies.

      I've gone for the Denon because I've had 4 of these AV recievers to date and I'm a fan of their sound, and compared to 2 pioneers I've also owned, the Denon has a lot warmer sound. It also matches my 3313 Denon BD player and connects with Denon link...
       
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      They use the exact same DACs. The AVRX6200 uses the same DACs as you'd find onboard the SR7010.
       
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      A suggestion would be to add the industry standard power output as well as the sales figure. The 250w figure is clearly a wee bit misleading, considering it allows for 10% distortion.

      The FCC figure is 140w, which makes it easier to compare AVRs. Ok still there is some figure fudging but its closer.

      Power Output (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.05% 2ch Drive) 140 W
       

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