Denon AVR-X4400H 9.2 Channel AV Receiver Review & Comments

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    1. Steve Withers

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      ::EDIT::

      Post removed to keep things on topic. Thanks for the info though guys, much appreciated :)
       
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      Nice review Phil. Can someone tell me if the HDMI ports are v2.1 compatible?

      When HDMI versions are upgraded is the actual port physically upgraded or is it just a firmware upgrade that brings it up to the latest spec?
       
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      Whether or not the receiver would be able to accommodate the standards associated with HDMI version 2.1 will be an unknown up until those standards are finalised.

      The receiver will be getting eARC abilities via a firmware update, but this is the only known ability associated with HDMI version 2.1 that has been announced for this receiver.

      All in all it depends upon which aspects and abilities associated with HDMI version 2.1 you are talking about?

      I'd personally think it doubtful that this or any other current AV receiver will be fully compliant with what is expected from HDMI 2.1?

      If the receiver could already fully accomplish what is required or expected of HDMI version 2.1 then Denon would have sold it using this within their advertising literature. They don't so I'd not hold your breath awaiting such abilities.
       
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      Thanks for the reply Dante.

      I’m particularly interested in the dynamic HDR and Game Mode VRR abilities. I’ll be watching for future product announcements keenly.
       
    6. Steve Withers

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      If you were going to invest in an X4400, I'd suggest selling the soundbar and Logitech speakers and buying a good Atmos speaker package instead. You could then use the AVR for most TV/movie watching and still use Sony headphones at night.
       
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      It wasn't Phil that did the review but the HDMI inputs and outputs are not 2.1, they are 2.0 but as Dante has pointed out, certain features promoted under HDMI 2.1 can be supported using HDMI 2.0 depending on the chipset that the manufacturers have used. I believe eARC, dynamic metadata and VRR can all be delivered via HDMI 2.0 in certain circumstances but we'll have to wait and see.
       
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      ok, thanks for the tip.
       
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      You may wish to start a seperate thread on this, i know for certain you won't be able to use your existing sub for the denon and afaik you won't be able to use your existing speakers (wrong ohms) 11'x11' is quite a small room this amp will either give you a 5.1.4 or a 7.1.2 set up, if you can accommodate this then fine or look for a smaller amp that will give you a 5.1.2 seven channel output.
       
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      ok, thanks...I'll have a look at other options
       
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      Thanks for the review Steve.

      Out of interest what power or integrated amp did you add to this AVR to extend it to 7.1.4? I'm considering an upgrade next year and wondering how this amp + a 2ch amp would compare against the X6400H for 7.1.4 given the price difference.
       
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      Oops..my bad! Apologies Steve.
       
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      Had this AV for several weeks now and I love it.

      I upgraded from the AVRX-4100 because of the need for HDCP 2.2 support but there is definitely a leap in overall quality. Very easy to navigate around the menus. After running Audyssey's MultEQ XT32 calibration I did some manual adjustments and it just sounds spectacular.
       
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      Hi Steve,

      Any chance you can start measuring and publishing actual power output when doing these reviews? As companies often claim 9x200w and so on but these can be misleading and us users don't have the means to measure before we buy.

      :thumbsup:
       
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      I paired it with a Cambridge Audio Azur 651 power amp that I normally use with my X7200.
       
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      Delivering 9 x 200W whilst only consuming a maximum of 710W is very clever indeed.

      Denon have sure created something magical ;)

      Or alternatively... if you read the specs... it can deliver ONE channel of 200W with a massive 1% distortion.

      Why do they quote these utter bulls... figures? It’s insulting if nothing else.

      Two channels driven at acceptable distiortion numbers, it’s actually 125W per channel. Funnily enough, they don’t quote an ‘all channels driven’ figure. But it’s going to be in the 50-80W range.

      Steve, this jibe isn’t aimed at you by the way, it’s aimed at the nonsense spewing manufacturers...
       
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      Real world RMS output is much more likely to be in the 20-40W range, maybe a bit more for the front channels depending how the amp is designed. You also have to factor in that no device is 100% efficient, some of the power is simply turned to heat and evaporates, and the processing etc all takes some power too.

      The thing is, for the kind of system that this level of AVR will typically go into, that 40 watts or so is about all the power you need anyway. Satellite speakers use very little power in real world terms (you can thank subwoofers for that), and its actually only because of this that something as complete as an AVR is available all in one box at affordable prices. The marketing is more a result of consumers and a lack of understanding (thats where we come in :)), bigger numbers look better and manufacturers have to make their products look the best they can. If 2 AVRs with actual real world output that was roughly equal, were marketed as one having 9 x 200 watts, and the other as 9 x 40 watts, people would make decisions based on those figures, and those decisions would be unfair in real terms.
       
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      is 4400 has dolby vision passthrough capability?
       
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      Yes plus HLG too. All of Denon's models going back to the x200 2015 models will have these abilities. Some are still awaiting the firmware update that enables this though:

      HDR FORMAT COMPATIBILITY
       
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      My old AVR-3808 is starting to fail on it's digital inputs. So I'm thinking to replace it with the AVR-X4400H. But I'm wondering if the monolithic design of the X6400H would be worth the extra money. I'm not gonna use the 2 extra amplified outputs.

      What's your idea on this?
       
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      Not using a couple of channels simply means more available power for the channels you do use, and the 6400H is certainly a lot of product for the money so a much more worthy upgrade than stepping across to the 4400 in our view. We currently have a discount on the 6400 as well which you can see here.
       
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      Does anyone know if the three HDMI outputs - Do they output the same HDMI INPUT or is there switching where each HDMI output can display a different HDMI input?
       
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      Monitor 1 and 2 are mirrored and output the same source for use in the main room. The third output is a dedicated second HDMI zone output that allows you to select any HDMI source connected to the eceiver independently of what is selected for the main room. The associated HDMI signal is passed through the receiver in its entirety for output via the second zone output. The receiver plays no part in processing either the audio or the video associated with the second zone output.
       
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      Nothing wrong with phased-plasma rifle in 40W range according to Arnie... :laugh::laugh::laugh:
       
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      A neighbour of mine is happy to have my current amp, for almost what I paid for it as long I help him set his system up, would the Denon fit my system.

      I am very happy with my current amp. It gives me plenty at levels I listen to.

      Many thanks in advance.

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      Given the price you can get for your amp and offsetting that against the deal price of the Denon 4400, its hard to give an argument as to why not to upgrade. Denon have kept Audyssey which is no bad thing in our view, and you will get the option of Atmos which you currently dont have plus Heos multi room functionality. This is a definite upgrade for and given the good price youll get for the Onkyo its a clear win win upgrade :smashin:
       
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      Many thanks.

      I give you a call today.
       
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      This certainly appeals as I am looking to upgrade my Home Theatre system to a Dolby Atmos (with upfiring speakers - not ceiling mounted. The one thing that I am looking for in particular is eARC support but I am a little put off on the price - especially as I would also need to buy the speakers and any cabling too. I doubt I would need that connectivity either or multi-room. I think this AVR would be 'overkill' for my needs - its not as if my lounge is massive and I can't see me needing so many HDMI inputs and outputs.

      I really hoped we would see a 4k HDR Bluray player Dolby Atmos Home Theatre system with eARC - the best I can find is a 5.1 Bluray Home Theatre - not much of an upgrade over my current set-up. Since my Hifi system packed up, my current Home Theatre has doubled up as my CD player/Hifi too. It has radio tuner built in too - not that I listen to music that way. Due to the size of my lounge, I am sure a system like that would be ideal - better than a Atmos Soundbar! I was considering the Samsung HWK950 - but that doesn't have eARC support and would still need some way to play my CDs.

      I know I could buy a CD player (or maybe a dedicated 4k HDR Bluray player that also plays CDs - its probably a better buy for versatility - not that I tend to watch DVD's/Blurays anymore but if I do, its better than the consoles) to go with this AV Receiver - but then the price is just escalating up and up. AVR, Speakers, cabling, Speaker brackets/shelves, Bluray player....

      The X4300 would probably be ideal - if it had eARC support and that £400 difference could buy the 4K HDR Bluray player or go towards the Speakers. Maybe I ought to wait until late 2018+ (next Black Friday) to see if the price of this has dropped. I don't need eARC just yet as my TV is unlikely to support that anyway. I do want to replace my TV in the near future to get eARC, Game VRR and self emitting technology - my current TV will replace the bedroom TV and my 'Home Theatre' will go in there too.
       
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      The AVRX3400 includes eARC compliance and retails for £700.
       

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