Denon AVR-X4300H Owners Thread

I will be able to put speakers behind, left and right of the couch, of course all in the new pool house. However the ones left and right of the cough will need to be near the sealing. Not ideal, I know, but far better than my Yamaha soundbar in my living room. I've ordered 6x JBL Control Pro 1's to start with. All I need further is one center speaker and two front speakers. I'm thinking about Dali Oberon 7 on wall as front speakers. I also need a sub. I want to keep the costs reasonable.
 
I will be able to put speakers behind, left and right of the couch, of course all in the new pool house. However the ones left and right of the cough will need to be near the sealing. Not ideal, I know, but far better than my Yamaha soundbar in my living room. I've ordered 6x JBL Control Pro 1's to start with. All I need further is one center speaker and two front speakers. I'm thinking about Dali Oberon 7 on wall as front speakers. I also need a sub. I want to keep the costs reasonable.
I don't know about the Dali speakers but I can recommend any sub from SVS, and depending on your definition of "reasonable" they have a price range that starts at reasonable to not so reasonable. I have one myself. If your budget stretches, then you could also consider Miller & Kreisel. Otherwise there are many other reputable subs around both cheaper and more expensive. I would take guidance from a specialist. I've found with subs that you have to buy one that works well in the space you have and placing it in the right place within that space. Placement is more critical than you might think.
 
strangely my 4300h has started swithing itself on...and with it, the tv, during the very early hours, im sure its something to do with "alexa"? the answers provided by denon support have not worked at all.
 
strangely my 4300h has started swithing itself on...and with it, the tv, during the very early hours, im sure its something to do with "alexa"? the answers provided by denon support have not worked at all.

Try setting the receiver's NETWORK CONTROL setting to OFF IN STANDBY. THis should prevent other devices from activating the receiver other a network connection while the receiver is i standby.
 
'm sorry to report that my order for a second hand 4300H has been canceled by Amazon.
After some careful research, I'm now in the market for a new 3600H. This seems to perfectly cover my needs. At the same time I would like to order a Adam active speaker set + sub woofer for the front channels. The set consists of two Adam A5X + one Adam SUB 7. The sub and speakers can be tightly integrated by setting the crossover point in the sub. The speakers are in this case connected to the sub and the receiver would send the front channel signals to the sub. This is quite interesting because I could easily set the crossover point with the sub's remote.
This means that I would not use the sub channels of the receiver. Can I send the full signal to the front speaker outputs (front + sub signal to front only)?
 
Bummer, why was it cancelled? Anyway, the 3600H seems pretty good too so probably not a major issue.

On the question about the speakers, I think the issue you'll have with connecting the sub to the L+R speakers is that the sub will not receive the LFE channels when you've got LFE content. There's a brilliant explanation by one of the mods that I think gives an explanation of LFE and subs on the Anthem MRX520 forum at Anthem MRX 520 / 720 / 1120 Series Owners

It's toward the bottom to the page and the mod is gibbsy. I'm monitoring the forum because the MRX720 would be my next upgrade once I've convinced myself the extra investment is worth it. Regardless of the model etc, the explanation about LFE is really good.
 
Bummer, why was it cancelled? Anyway, the 3600H seems pretty good too so probably not a major issue.

On the question about the speakers, I think the issue you'll have with connecting the sub to the L+R speakers is that the sub will not receive the LFE channels when you've got LFE content. There's a brilliant explanation by one of the mods that I think gives an explanation of LFE and subs on the Anthem MRX520 forum at Anthem MRX 520 / 720 / 1120 Series Owners

It's toward the bottom to the page and the mod is gibbsy. I'm monitoring the forum because the MRX720 would be my next upgrade once I've convinced myself the extra investment is worth it. Regardless of the model etc, the explanation about LFE is really good.
No reason given for the canceling.
I stumbled on an interesting article The Misunderstood 0.1 LFE Channel in 5.1 Digital Surround Sound - HomeTheaterHifi.com
Especially this part.
“On the flip side, you don’t need a subwoofer to hear the content of the LFE track. If your mains are of substantial mettle, and you don’t have a sub, bass management can usually re-route the LFE to your fronts.”
 
I've read it, and in the case of the 4300H you can send the LFE to the main speakers so this looks like it could work. This is done in the speaker setup, sub-option BASS and set to LFE+MAIN. I assume the 3600H has the same option. I've had a quick look at the spec of the ADAMs and they look good. Perhaps either gibes or someone else can help here....
 
I've read it, and in the case of the 4300H you can send the LFE to the main speakers so this looks like it could work. This is done in the speaker setup, sub-option BASS and set to LFE+MAIN. I assume the 3600H has the same option. I've had a quick look at the spec of the ADAMs and they look good. Perhaps either gibes or someone else can help here....
Using LFE+Main can and often does lead to a boomy bass and is best avoided. Very few speakers can get anywhere near as deep as a sub unless you want to spend tens of thousands of pounds. The LFE will to some part get downmixed if not using a sub and telling the receiver that one is not connected. However the speakers internal crossover will disregard signals below that cut off, for safety sake, so the majority of the LFE effects will be lost.

You can connect a sub directly to the amp via the front left and right binding posts via a high level input. Tricky to get right and is very good for music as it underpins the audio, REL are masters at this and apart from their new HT Series all are designed for such input.

If you sub doesn't have a dedicated LFE input then use the RCA from LFE on the receiver to the left channel input on the receiver possibly. You will have to check this with your particular sub model.
 
Using LFE+Main can and often does lead to a boomy bass and is best avoided. Very few speakers can get anywhere near as deep as a sub unless you want to spend tens of thousands of pounds. The LFE will to some part get downmixed if not using a sub and telling the receiver that one is not connected. However the speakers internal crossover will disregard signals below that cut off, for safety sake, so the majority of the LFE effects will be lost.

You can connect a sub directly to the amp via the front left and right binding posts via a high level input. Tricky to get right and is very good for music as it underpins the audio, REL are masters at this and apart from their new HT Series all are designed for such input.

If you sub doesn't have a dedicated LFE input then use the RCA from LFE on the receiver to the left channel input on the receiver possibly. You will have to check this with your particular sub model.
That's the nice thing of the Adam configuration. It is a combination of front speakers and sub woofer tightly integrated. It handles the low pass and high pass. It's like front speakers that can go real deep
 
It is an acknowledged fact that duplicating the same lower frequency output via both the sub and the main speakers invariably results in bass boom issues. THX has done extensive testing and research relative to this and Audyssey also advise against engaging settings such as LFE + MAIN or DOUBLE BASS.

The high pass is doing nothing to improve anything. All you are doing is conveying full tange audio to the both the sub and your your passive speakers. This fails to benefit the upper range performance as would be the case associated with designating the passive speakers as being SMALL, setting a crossover for them no lower than 80Hz and only outputting the frequencies at and below the crossover to the sub in association with the discrete LFE channel if and when present.

By the way, true full range speakers will cost you in excess of £10,000. Even if you had such speakers, you'd still be advised to designate them as being small and to use an 80Hz crossover.
 
It is an acknowledged fact that duplicating the same lower frequency output via both the sub and the main speakers invariably results in bass boom issues. THX has done extensive testing and research relative to this and Audyssey also advise against engaging settings such as LFE + MAIN or DOUBLE BASS.

The high pass is doing nothing to improve anything. All you are doing is conveying full tange audio to the both the sub and your your passive speakers. This fails to benefit the upper range performance as would be the case associated with designating the passive speakers as being SMALL, setting a crossover for them no lower than 80Hz and only outputting the frequencies at and below the crossover to the sub in association with the discrete LFE channel if and when present.

By the way, true full range speakers will cost you in excess of £10,000. Even if you had such speakers, you'd still be advised to designate them as being small and to use an 80Hz crossover.
Hello please take a look at the Adam A5X and Sub 8. Both are active and none of the low pass gets into the main active speakers and visa versa, so I guess that your valid remarks do not apply to the setup I envision. I'm well aware that even my Focal Sopra 2 in my two channel setup are not capable of really full range, that's why I have sub woofers. But that system will not be part of my multi channel setup.
 
The speaker size configurations and the receiver's associated crossovers still apply to that receiver's pre outs. The same bass management ideology is still applicable to your active main speakers and speaker siz as well as crossovers can still be employed.

No idea as to what it is that you think you are gaining by sending full range audio to your speakers be they active or passive? Do they incorporate low frequency woofers with a diameter in excess of 15"? If no, then they are not full range.
 
Perhaps there's nothing to gain, I just want to explore all options. What seems to be handy is that you can change the crossover of Adam the sub and mains with a remote. Gives some flexibility (perhaps). My aim is not to go to the absolute minimum of 20 Hz! I'm a 2 channel purist, not an AV purist :)
 
Perhaps there's nothing to gain, I just want to explore all options. What seems to be handy is that you can change the crossover of Adam the sub and mains with a remote. Gives some flexibility (perhaps). My aim is not to go to the absolute minimum of 20 Hz! I'm a 2 channel purist, not an AV purist :)


You can adjust the AV receiver's bass management via the receiver's remote so unsure as to what you've gained?
 
Can anyone advise on connecting my peripherals please.

Just acquired a new LG C9 and have one HDMI running from TVs eARC to AVRs ARC as you`d expect.

I have plugged in directly to the AVR my Sky Q, BT box and Ps 4. All picked up nicely by the AVR when setting them up.
I disabled the source +power as I don`t always want the AVR on.

The TV picked up the Sky box ok but not the BT box. To watch BT, it must run through the AVR. I have Sky set as cab/sat on the settings as the pass through source so guess that explains why. If I change pass-through to DVD, the TV picks up the BT but not Sky.

Can anyone guide me as to how I can get the TV to pick up the 2nd box as it`s obviously tied in to pass-through. It`s not the end of the world if it isn`t possible but preferable.

HDMI control-OFF

I hope this makes sense :)

TIA
 
With the AVR in stand by mode you can press dvd in the remote and it dull change the input.
 
With the AVR in stand by mode you can press dvd in the remote and it dull change the input.
Thanks bud. That works.

But......have lost connection to the Sky box again. It`s been a problem with my set-up for ages. These V2 Sky boxes are the pits.
 
hmm thats weird. I have skyQ as the main passthrough on my AVR.
but im sure i have disabled most of the CEC stuffs or HDMI control.
 
But......have lost connection to the Sky box again. It`s been a problem with my set-up for ages. These V2 Sky boxes are the pits.
Do you get the black screen and then have to re-boot Sky after closing down the receiver?
 
Thanks guys. I answered this over on the C9 thread.

I connected the sky box directly to the TV and it`s passing Atmos back to the AVR
 
But that gives me one more question.

I changed a setting on the AVR that disables the 'on-screen' info. I can`t for the life of me find how to get that back again. When I press info on the handset, nothing shows.

Help me out :)

Edit: That`s when I`m watching the feed from Sky, I can`t see any 'info'.
 
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Do you get the black screen and then have to re-boot Sky after closing down the receiver?
The black screen insofar as there was no signal, yes. Had to reboot the sky box.

No more though :)
 

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