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Denon AVR-3803

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by briandzo, Jan 7, 2003.

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  1. briandzo

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    does anyone have any idea when the
    Denon AVR-3803
    maybe released in the Uk & at what price (online prices)
    it may be bought at.

    its just im hungry for an Amp.

    this one has got EX decoding compared to its predescor
    and im kind of thinking that the extra speakers
    round the back may make the sell for me.

    As i want this setup to last a good few years.


    thanks

    brian......
     
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    I thought the 3801 and the 3802 were compatible with EX soundtracks?
     
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    Briandzo:

    Rumours on this board reckon a Feb release date, although I spoke with Denon today who were most helpful (nottttt) and told me sometime this year. :confused:

    She couldn't be any more precise....apparently :devil:

    Avland have info and an email address where you can register interest.

    http://www.avland.co.uk/denon/avr3803/index.htm

    Tim:)
     
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    They are both compatible with EX and DTS ES coded discs but with the Dolby varient they do not 'officially' support the format and the display only shows '6.1 Surround'.

    I believe this was due to some kind of non-payment/deadline problem with Denon paying the required license fee to Dolby. And yep, it causes all kinds of confusion :)
     
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    The 3801, and 3802 do indeed support Dolby EX, but as stated above, only show it as 6.1 surround. This is due to a licensing agrrement, as until the last half of 2002 Dolby surround EX didn't exist as a format as such, it was only available as THX surround EX, as the format was a joint development between dolby and THX.

    When this agrrement was ended, it became available for non-THX certified products, prior to this time, only official THX amps could advertise that they supported the format.

    What this means is that at the time you could get an amp that had all the formats, without paying a premium for a THX approved product, as the approval is not cheap, and this cost has to be passed on to the consumer.

    HTH

    Ian
     
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    My advice, for whats its worth, is save you money and buy a 3802.

    The 3803 will be quite a bit more expensive and you can now get the 3802 for £600
     
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    Crumbs 666 better post another quuick :devil:
     
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    briandzo:

    That depends how important the Lip Sync feature is to you.

    How many other AV amps at arround the £900 mark have an audio delay feature....not many!!!

    Tim:)
     
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    Denon has today released details of its new ‘7.1’ surround receiver, the AVR-3803. Set to retail for around £950 when it goes on general sale next month, it offers DTS 96/24, DTS-ES and Dolby Digital EX with 7-channel power amps and multi-room flexibility.

    Denon claims the 3803 brings many of the features and technology from the £3,000 AVC-A1SR. Its spec includes using the new acclaimed Analog Devices Hammerhead SHARC Melody 100 DSP processor, as well as component video up-conversion for increased flexibility and ease of installation - the first receiver in its class to do so.

    On the power front you’ll get 7 x 150W, and if you’re wondering exactly how else the 3803 differs from its 3802 predecessor, here’s the full - slightly rough and including some judgments as well as hard facts! - skinny from Denon itself:

    ”Notes on differences from 3802
    Sound quality. More musical and much sweeter
    * more solidity and grunt in stereo and surround
    * better imaging
    * more refined
    * Sweeter midrange
    * MUCH better on music

    Video up-conversion from composite to Component & S-Video for plasma owners - the first time in this class
    * All video sources can be up-converted to high-quality Component Video for feeding Plasma screens and projectors
    * Component Video inputs can be user assigned
    * Massively improved internal video spec for hi-res DVD and HDTV

    First DTS 96/24 under £1000
    * DTS 96/24
    * DTS-ES/Discrete & Neo:6
    * DOLBY DIGITAL EX
    * DOLBY PLII
    * CINEMA EQ
    * AUTO SURROUND

    NEW Pure Direct mode for better music
    * switches out even more circuitry for pure stereo, and features AL24 processing from Denon s high-end CD Players.
    * Now switches out all video and display AS WELL AS tone
    * If using analogue - also turns off digital power

    All Dacs and ADCs now high-performance 192kHz/24bit devices
    * sixteen x 192kHz/24bit Burr-Brown PCM1791 DACS in dual differential configuration
    * 192kHz/24bit PCM1804 ADCs

    Main DSP now HAMMERHEAD SHARC MELODY 100 as used in AVC-A1SR
    * faster processing
    * gives more detail in the mix, much greater clarity.”

    We can also bring you a list of some of the other key features Denon is keen to crow about:

    * Auto Surround - The AVR-3803 can automatically store the surround mode for any of three input signals: (1) Analog and PCM 2 channel, (2) Bit stream 2-channel (Dolby Digital, DTS) and (3) Bit stream multi-channel. If the type of input signal changes, the most appropriate surround mode is automatically selected for the signal.

    * Broad frequency range up to 100 MHz - The AVR-3803 is equipped with 2 sets of component inputs and 1 set of monitor outputs (all RCA terminals). A high-performance relay is used to switch signals, and a high frequency range up to 100 MHz is supported.

    * Designed for high sound quality - a hefty power transformer for stable supply of power is combined with a rectifier diode and a large block capacitor to ensure a large, stable supply of electrical current. Also a new, large-capacity block capacitor was developed for the AVR-3803 to ensure a rock stable supply of power.

    * Newly redesigned pre-programmed remote with learning feature - the remote controller has the most frequently used keys laid out in the centre and an easy-to-grip shape and size. It also has a small liquid crystal display that lets you quickly identify which devices you are controlling at a glance.

    * Support for Multi Room Audio & Video - there’s a Multi Zone Output function and a Select function that let you output different sources to multiple zones. Sources can be selected for output to an additional zone, in addition to the main room. Multi-room Zone 2 can have variable pre-amp output along with composite video feed. A power amplifier assign function lets you assign the 2 Surround Back (SB L/R) amplifier channels when the system is not configured for 7.1, to instead drive the Multi-room Zone 2 speakers, with 150 Watts per channel.

    * There’s a +12 V Trigger Output (Assignable)

    * There’s a Serial Control Port to support an AMX, Crestron integrated control system

    * There’s 1 Set of 8-Channel External Analog Inputs

    Finally (we know how much some of you love to know all this!) we can bring you a list of the 3803’s socketry:

    11 Analog Inputs: PHONO, CD, Tuner, DVD, VDP, TV, DBS,VCR-1, VCR-2, V.AUX, CDR/TAPE
    1 x 8ch Analog EXT. Input for SACD/DVD-A
    5 Digital (Optical) Input
    2 Digital (Coaxial) Inputs

    Audio Outputs
    8 Analog PRE Output
    3 Analog REC Output - VCR-1, VCR-2, CDR/TAPE
    1 Analog Multi Zone PRE Output L/R
    2 Digital (Optical) Outputs

    Video Inputs
    2 Component Video Inputs
    7 Composite Inputs (DVD, VDP, TV,DBS, VCR1, VCR2, V.AUX)
    7 S-Video Input (DVD, VDP, TV, DBS, VCR-1, VCR-2, V.AUX)

    Video Outputs
    1 Component Video Output
    3 Composite Output (CR-1, VCR-2, MONITOR)
    3 S-Video Output (VCR-1, VCR-2, MONITOR)
    1 Multi Zone Video output (Composite x1).

    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/new...emachoice.com/cgi-bin/displaynews.php?id=2752[/URL]
     
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    Posh Bloke: so it doesn't do much then?
    :D :eek:

    Sounds awesome from the specs.
     
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    Did they forget the 'Audio Delay' feature or is it just me.

    I'd say that was a pretty big USP if you get upset with Lip Sync issues...

    Timbo:)
     
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    Just out of interest wil you be auditioning it before you buy? and have you auditioned the 3802, or is the 3803 so differerant as to make this pointless.

    The Denon 3802 is flavour of the 'month' at the moment - are people listening to it or buying just because it is the 'flavour of the month?'
     
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    I'd have happily lost some of the inputs (does anyone really have three VCR's?) and had a second Ext 7.1 input.
    After all anyone with SACD's to play would need a second set as Denon don't do a combined DVD-A and SACD player.
    Unless one is planned in the lifetime of this amp???.... :)
     
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    Themmings - I am thinking of getting this model when released but, from what your saying, does it have problems with Lip Sync?
     
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    unfortunatley Road testing equipment is not possible
    on these grounds.

    living in the urban world i just dont have access
    to a decent shop.

    and what exactly is a 'decent' shop.

    in my 37 years of living i have learnt that when you
    visit a shop the saleman will always tell you that
    what he has is the best there is.
    hes hardly going to say dont buy that £1000 amp its crap.

    on top of that if u do road test some kit
    it will never even remotely sound anything like it did in the shop.

    also i always feel bad about visiting the high st shop, because i will never buy anything from them. i always save a mint thru buying on the net.

    when i spend my dosh , i do my own research
    and hope i do it right .

    product 'name' & there reputation
    i read the specs carefully
    news groups such as these
    where real people with experiences can express there opinons.
    these are usually sometimes more reliable
    than reading online reports from magazines
    in which some are biased.
    the opinons of u and i account for so much.

    so on that note.

    is it the denon 3802 or 3803
    taking into account the 3803 has the 3802's pedigree of success.

    well its going to depend on how much that 3803
    will be up for sale for.
    as the 3802 is looking good value with some dealers.
     
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    I take your point, however I think there is very little auditioning going on on this site and alot of people are buying based on other peoples purchases who also didn't audition. And don't forget that few people will admit (even to themselves) that they have bought badly.

    For what it's worth when I recently auditioned the Denon 3802 I was very disapointed in it's performance in stereo and music DVD

    the Arcam AVR200 which I compared it against was significantly better

    It's getting a little like the emporers new clothes.
     
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    Hi Rasczak:

    No, the amp has no issues with Lip Sync - it actually features 'Audio Delay' which means you can adjust the audio up to 200ms to counteract any Lip Sync problems one finds when viewing various broadcasts.

    It's actually one of the few amps at this price point (in fact...I can't think of any other at this price) that has an Audio Delay feature.

    If you look at the success the 3802 received over the already succesful 3801, and bearing in mind the 3803 doesn't seem to be a complete overhaul.... surely it can only be a further improvement again??

    Tim:)
     
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    You always could.

    Got mine for £620 from hifijunkies over a year ago.


    Brox,
    You may have a valid point about the lack of auditioning that goes on but then how many people have the opportunity to do blind side by side tests.

    What is useful is the feedback from satisfied owners.
    My 3802 may not be the best, but im very happy with its performance and my ears (at the moment) are not left asking.

    Regards
     
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    Looking at the specs posted here[thanks posh bloke] I am amazed Denon can build AV Amps without any major problems with quality control or BUGS yet they cannot get a DVD player to work first time e.g.2800,2800MKII,3800 which means to me one thing: Built in Japan=No Problems
    Built in China=Hit & Miss..Some work ...Some don't
    of course I'm assuming these amps are built in Japan[stand to be corrected] so why they cannot build their DVD players there has me scratching my head! and to see whats in a dvd player compared to their amps something is really wrong
    cheers laurie:confused:
     
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    Put me down for one!!!!

    The Uk model looks identical to the USA version on the www.denon.com site, it includes a PDF manual if anyone wants to read further

    Gary

    PS. anyone else find dealers arn't that happy about doing a back to back home cinema demo because of the time it takes for them to set the levels etc!
     
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    "Power Amplifier Assign function, lets you assign 2 of the 7 amp channels to drive second zone speakers directly "

    Will this allow bi-amping of the mains then?
     
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    PS. i think the 7 x 150w is for 6ohms, if its the same as USA then its 7x110w for 8ohms
     
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    Basically, no. It uses the Surround Back Speaker amps to drive a pair of speakers in another room.

    Although someone did mention trying to find a way around it by selecting the same source for the 2nd zone, don´t think it worked out though.
     
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    I would now look for cheap deals on the a11sr as an alternative to the 3802 or 3803.
     
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    3803 definitely Made In Japan.
     
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    its on the German denon site as well for 1499eur, and its pictured as having 240v.

    Has anyone tried importing from Germany, if so any good sites?

    cheers

    Gary
     
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    I am looking very seriously into buying this receiver (3803); just a few questions cause im kinda new to all the audio scene, please dont hate me

    I want to perhaps buy some Axiom M80ti's but they are 4Ohms; will that be a problem if I connect them to this amp?

    Have any of you purchased this amp online; is there anything I should lookout for in shipping and handling? Problems? I could care less about warranties; I just want to make sure it doesnt get smashed up on the fedex truck :/

    --Just one thing I read on a previous post; someone said something about have an extra set of inputs or something cause there arent enough for DVD-A and SACD; cant some DVD players play DVD-A now; leaving SACD the connection at the back? Or does the DVD player with DVD-A support use that too?

    -Any help is appreciated thanks for your patience; Audiogods
     
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    To play DVD-A or SACD you need to connect a compatible player via the 6 analogue input on the amp. You can not use optical or coax for these.
    Therefore if you have 2 DVD's, one SACD and one DVD-A then you would need 2 sets of 5.1 analogue inputs on the receiver.

    Mark.
     
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    Unless you were sensible enough to buy a Pioneer 656 which plays both DVDA & SACD and therefore only needs one set of inputs on the amp.
     
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    To quote that awful Car advert.. Yes you can!

    First configure for multi-zone in setup not 7.1
    Connect Front L&R pre-outs to an unused input with phono leads.
    Set the Multi-zone input to the one you just connected to.
    Set the MZ volume to 0dB
    Connect front speakers to Main L&R outs plus MZ outputs

    One bi-amped system :)

    ps don't forget to remove the shorting links on your speakers when you bi-wire them to the amp or you'll possibly fry the amp.

    pps By varying the MZ volume you could tweak the HF LF ratio of the speakers. 1dB steps a bit course mind you
     

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