Great stuff, you got there in the end.Thansk for all the suggestions.
Finally I made som progress.
I put the distance values from the old Denon and tweaked them and the levels a bit and finally got the stereo image I wanted! Now I can say it is every bit as good as the old and a bit better as I was originally expecting. And the dual subbs adds to it, though I need to sort out their response curve some other day.
Regarding the new auddyssey it tells you to never put the mic closer than 50cm to the wall. But my head is likely less than 30cm from the wall. So I followed the advice. I might even have had it 60cm from the wall. With the old Denon with less detailed advice for the procedure I placed the mic where my head would be. And also at other listening positions where a person would actually sit. Now the new told no keep all measyrements within 60cm of the main position..
If you didn't notice from the pictures I put I'm sitting a bit assymetrically from the speakers and the left one is also slightly further back due to the patio door. But with the correct level and distance settings it does work suprisingly good.
Depends on the manufacturer of the sub. Some have both low level LFE and high level Neutrik connection. REL and BK produce such subs.
I remember measuring the exact distance with the old Denon once when a friend was over and didn't believe it could do so precise measurements. But he was proven wrong and the results where within 10cm accuracy.Great stuff, you got there in the end.
I found auddyssey to be very accurate in its measurements when compared to my onkyo, but out of habit I did go in to manual settings and have look, I'm also close the back wall so made some minor tweeks.
I get my tape measure out and measure from each speaker and adjust if needed.
Some subwoofers allow low level and high level to be connected at the same, my BK Elec ones allow this, in which case you can use low level to the AVR as usual, but also add in high level to the HT bypass amp.
I did not know this. That seems unfortunate and flawed.
While I am dubious about how much difference higher sample rates would make to anyone's listening, other than perhaps Neil Young but certainly not to mine, but I also wouldn't have expected 96kHz or even 192kHz sampling to be overwhelming for Denon. Maybe in the 90s...It is however also suggested by many that there are advantages to using a sample rate higher than 48 kHz despite what Audyssey say.
For audio quality a lot will depend on the mix. For example the new MoFi stereo SACD of Paul Simon's Still Crazy After All These Years is something of a revelation. There's a wider soundstage and better instrumental separation. SACD will also give you the ability to play a full 5.1 surround and some of those mixes are done exceptionally well. Just listen to the two Pink Floyds classics that have been released in 5.1.And then what about DSD?
Philistine.I get the impression that owning SACD discs is more of a status symbol thing that anything to do with higher audio quality.
I am a big fan of surround mixes of music, and that would be the biggest draw to SACD for me.SACD will also give you the ability to play a full 5.1 surround and some of those mixes are done exceptionally well.
Blu ray audio is better than SACD but it has simply failed to take off, just like DVD-A. It's unlikely you will get some of the classic albums from yester year released on blu ray. If you want to listen to HD audio at it's very best then buy a copy of Hans Zimmer in Prague with it's wonderful Atmos soundtrack.I am a big fan of surround mixes of music, and that would be the biggest draw to SACD for me.
So far I've only heard 5.1 mixes from DVD and the Dolby Atmos mixes on Tidal, which is the only draw to Tidal for me..
So I've noticed. Given that for the last 15 years most people have been happy to listen to 128kbps audio through ear pods, it doesn't entirely surprise me. My collection of 5.1 music consists of Depeche Mode's remasters with regular DVDs that contain the 5.1 mixes and Sgt Pepper's, also on regular DVD. I'm still looking for a reasonably priced Yazoo In Your Room box set with the 5.1 mixes.Blu ray audio is better than SACD but it has simply failed to take off, just like DVD-A.
This was one of the first things I listened to during my Tidal trial as well as John Williams in Vienna. The were both excellent!If you want to listen to HD audio at it's very best then buy a copy of Hans Zimmer in Prague with it's wonderful Atmos soundtrack.
I've never streamed music, unlikely to change my ways. I've got a large selection of SACD and CDs. It's only multi channel music that I listen to on my Denon, I don't like it for stereo music and use a stereo amp with HT by-pass in the system.I also recommend Norah Jones Come Away with Me in Dolby Atmos on Tidal.
I'm sort of a CD person... I buy CDs and then rip them and usually listen to them that way. But shy of buying A) a player that can play SACDs in multichannel format and B) actually finding my music on said format, streaming seemed to be the easiest solution. Not that I ended up keeping Tidal after the trial ran out. Not enough multi-channel music yet to pull me in.I've never streamed music, unlikely to change my ways. I've got a large selection of SACD and CDs. It's only multi channel music that I listen to on my Denon, I don't like it for stereo music and use a stereo amp with HT by-pass in the system.