Jeesh, makes me wish I was in the process of getting an AV amp myself. 10SE's for 666€ at TSN Versand in Germany. I have never heard the amp myself but it still seems to be pretty highly regarded. Might lack a bit in the bells & whistles department but the power amps and build quality should be better than on most newer ones.. On the other hand, maybe I just should buy one myself. Can you ever have too many AV gear?