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Denon 3806 when?

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  1. sapkan

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    Does anybody know a release date for the 3806 in Europe? Is the 3910 DVD player going to change as well? :lease:
     
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    The 3806 has just been published on the German Denon website. Interestingly, there are a few features which I'm surprised to see. On audioholics.com there was a comparison between the two upcoming US models, the 4306 and the 3806, and the latter had no HDMI conversion (transcoding) and no Audyssey MultEQ. Now, the 3806 on the German Denon site has both, which I guess makes it significantly better than the US version of the 3806. At the same time, it looks like Europe will not be getting a 4306. Price: EUR1,399, available in October.
     
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    The Audioholics info does show Audyssey MultEQ XT on the 3806. No Analogue to HDMI conversion though. Bit of a result adding that to the UK/Euro version as it certainly mentions it on the spec list at Denon Germany. :)
     
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    You're right, strange, I am sure that at the beginning the audioholics comparison said no MultEQ for the 3806. I really wonder then what the point is of the 4306 as the only relevant difference seems to be 10W more power per channel and an ipod connection (ethernet connection is not that important). But probably, that's the reason why they don't seem to be introducing the 4306 in Europe. In any case, the 3806 looks like it's going to be a big success. Of course, in the UK it will arrive later and be more expensive...
     
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    AV land seem to differ...
    http://www.avland.co.uk/denon/avr3806/avr-3806.htm
    has Audyssey but no hdmi upconversion - taking orders for £899 in Oct

    http://www.avland.co.uk/denon/avr4306/avr-4306.htm
    say they will get in touch when more info available, £1499 in Nov
     
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    AV Land have added analogue to HDMI conversion to their specs for the 3806.

    "Video Conversion of Composite to S-Video, Component to HDMI, with on-screen display"
     
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    This might be very stupid, but is there not a difference between HDMI conversion and HDMI upconversion? I.e. the 3806 features conversion, but the 4306 upconversion?
     
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    A case of miswording I think. Just missed the UP bit off.

    Both Amps will just convert/upconvert the analogue signal to HDMI e.g Component 480P in, HDMI 480P out. They won't increase the resolution in the process as they don't have scaling built in.
     
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    If the Denons don't upscale but simply upconvert, what is the most affordable Receiver currently around or soon to be released that will upscale?
     
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    Yamaha's new RXV-2600. Assuming it's released in the UK/Europe.

    http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13581
     
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    the 3806 is out the end of september with a price of £1000 and the 4306 with a price of £1500 will be out at the end of october


    FYI - my dealer just emailed me the above
     
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    Jase, according to audiholics site the Yammy upconverts to HDMI and not upscales. So my question remains the same. What is the most competitively priced receiver which upscales?
     
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    Deinterlacing and Scaling up to 1080i/720p (uses Oplus de-interlacer for 480i to 480p)

    and in the first post:-

    "we're not aware of anyone else who is upconverting 480i to 720p/1080i via HDMI"

    Maybe you missed it. ;)
     
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    Thanks Jace, Ill look again and read it all the way through! My apologoies
     
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    How bizarre - that was one of the few things that was edging me toward the more expensive model - think the 3806 will do me then. I intend to use the xbox 360 for streaming media from and for connecting up portable players, and thus the ethernet connection is the only advantage. Mind you, I still think its a bit odd a £1000 amp has no Firewire connection.

    Does anyone have any use for the control via ethernet function? Do I just lack imagination?
     
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    I am not impressed by denons new offerings, its tinkering at the edges. There is not enough their to make owners of 3805 or many 3803 to upgrade. I think give it a bit of time and there will be a big leap in AV amps at the £1000 mark. I expect 10 channels will be the next move. I find it a joke that denon didn't put 10 channels on the AVC-A11VX for £2500. I would of been tempted by the AVC-A11VX if I could of bi-amped the fronts and ran the system in 7.1. I have said myself I am not going to pay £4000 for a amp, it would need to make tea as well at that price. But whats on it will be applied to the lower spec models in time.

    I think people who buy 3806 are not getting more than a 3805 but for HDMI and the room set up. I would like to see the power moved towards 140 watts, I find the power weak and the amps under powered. I am not wasting my money on this touch up amp, but for people moving up from the 2803 it will be worth while.

    I spoke to denon yesterday and they said the final spec hadn't been finalised yet so it could change in the near future.

    I think it will be wise to wait.

    I really want to see what yamaha and pioneer will offer.
     
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    I wonder if anyone can say sound quality wise and dsp chip etc
    I am only interested in the MultiEQxt will it be the same on the 3806 and the 4306?
    same chips etc and if so will it be as good as the 4806/5805 version?
    The video side is not important at all to me and i will only use the denon as a pre processor into external power amps. If i can get the all singing all dancing EQxt I would obviously choose the cheapest i.e the 3806 over the new 4306 i could not spend the money on a 4806 just going too far!
     
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    I have just notice the 4306 has a cat5 internet connection this could be used for software updates.
    Is there anyway to update software on the 3806
    AS reading avs forum ref the 5805 a very recent update (not even on the denon site)
    has now ensured the EQxt works on the low sub freq's
     
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    The Audyssey MultEQ XT system is the same as the one found in the 4806 (A11XV) and 5805 (A1XV). The only difference being that the 5805 (A1XV) can EQ up to three subwoofers whereas the others do just the one.

    The DSP chip in the 3806 and 4306 is different to those in the 4806 (A11XV) and 5805 (A1XV). They use a single Analog Devices ADSP 21366 capable of a potent 2GFLOPS (2997 MIPS). The 4805 (A11XV) and 5805 (A1XV) use three TI Aureus DSP's (each capable of 1.2GFLOPS/1800 MIPS).

    The 4805 (A11XV), 4306 and 3806 all have the same DAC's but the 5805 (A1XV) has much better ones.

    As for sound quality, you'll have to make your own mind up on that one. ;)
     
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    Thankyou Jase for the info
    Ref a way of updating software on a 3806 do you know if it will be possible?
    simon
     
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    Not sure, but theoretically it should be possible. The 3806 has a serial port, which can be used on the A1XV and A11XV to upgrade the firmware (apart from the Ethernet port). However, as it does not have an Ethernet port you won't be able to use it for media streaming (from the PC or media server to the amp) and web control. This update was just presented for the A1XV and A11XV.
     
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    It has an RS232C port but as far as I know Denon have never used this for software updates etc.
     

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