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Denon 3802 or Yamaha AX1 - Help!!!

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by yatesd, Jul 17, 2002.

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Which surround amp would you go for!!

Poll closed Jul 19, 2002.
  1. Denon 3802

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  2. Yamaha AX1

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  1. yatesd

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    Hi All,


    Looking for advice, upgrading my Av Amp at the minute (only really for Movie use!!) as I want to go to DTS-ES etc..

    I presently have B&W throughout and Arcam DV27 as a DVD player.

    Have narrowed it down to either the Denon 3802 or the Yamaha AX1 - based on features and offers I have got.

    Question is which one
    As far as I see it!! Both new with warranties

    Denon 3802 - 600 pounds delivered

    New, proper discrete sound, cracking reviews, cheaper

    Yamaha Ax1 - 880 pounds delivered

    Older, discontinued model, better amplifier (??), not real discrete, not THX, more money.


    Problem is can't decide, can't audition as overseas at the minute, need to make decision today really.

    Both are within my price range, but although cheaper is the Yamaha although older still much better than the Denon, or has technology caught up. Yamaha price wise seems a real bargain based on original price.


    Basically, looking for votes and opinions.



    Thanks,


    Dave.
     
  2. dexter

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    I bought the AX1 over the 3802 - an older model but it blows the 3802 out of the water for movies and, IMHO, music. 44 bit versus the Denon's 32!
     
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    Uh-oh, one of the blowing-out-of-the-water brigade...:clown:

    Mike.
     
  4. Nic Rhodes

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    I am denon man from these two. It blows.......:devil:
     
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    If it's for movies only I'd say go with the 3802 I've found mine gives amazing sound with movies, but it does lack a little in stereo playback but hopefully this will be cured when i add a power amp for the fronts.
    DTS discrete: There may be not many DVD's with it but once you've heard it you will not want to go without.:D
    I now watch all my DVD's in DTS ES matrix or 6.1 surround (DD EX)
    7.1 is the way to go

    :D
    Samir
     
  6. MikeK

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    Just to throw a spanner in the works, have you considered the Sony STR-VA555ES?


    The AX1 may be a bit better sonically though, assuming you have a speaker setup to take advantage of it.
    However, it has no DTS-ES Discrete, no Neo6 and no ProLogic2, in case that's of any interest. The 6.1 capability is Yamaha's own 6.1 Matrix, so it's not "official" 6.1 decoding as in true DD-EX or DTS-ES matrix, but personally I'm not sure that really matters too much.
    It also only sports a single centre back channel amplifier, whereas the Denon has two (the 555 only has one as well), and it's an amp, not a receiver, so it has no inbuilt tuner (if that's an issue)
    As for cracking reviews, they are beginning to go a bit soft on the 3802 now, in view of more recent competition, and it's rumoured to be up for replacement very shortly by the 3803.
    That said, IMO, for £600 it's unlikely you'll better it all round with any other equivalently priced AV receiver at the moment.

    For solely AV use, I doubt you'd be disappointed with either - the extra features and cheaper price of the Denon would probably swing it for me out of the two (although I have to admit that it's primarily because DPL2 is a strong puller for me, as I watch quite a few films on VHS/Sky/DTV etc etc)
     
  7. Nic Rhodes

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    Mike

    This wasn't on the choice list! You might be confusing the poor guy!
     
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    Had to go with the Denon, I have one and also no PLII on the yammy.

    It is worth it if you listen to a lot of stereo (VHS, Cable etc) inputs.
     
  9. Nic Rhodes

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    PL2 is essential on a receiver IMHO but hey what do I know.:blush:

    I have argued for PL2 since day one of PL2 release. Many were sceptical at first, now others have heard it I don't know anyone who would be without it now. No PL2 is / will be a costly mistake.

    Having said that there are alternatives to the Denon......:blush: :devil:
     
  10. dexter

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    Dear Flimber/ Mike

    May I humbly apologise for my "blown out of the water" remark - what a silly thing for you to moan about.
     
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    Dexter, You may well be able to humbly apologise but that wasn't it. Sorry, I don't share your magazine-conditioned over-enthusiasm for minute differences.

    Mike.
     
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    RS have the black DSP-AX1 @£794.95. It blows the Denon out of the water......
    Actually it doesn't, I have had one for a while now and although it's a fine tool, things have moved on.
    If I was choosing now I would plump for the Sony STR-AV555ES.
    Recently I helped someone choose between the Sony and the Denon, I was able to try the Denon with my speakers and it was not as weighty as my Yamaha, but was clearer and the steering effects were more noticed, with 2-channel stereo I preferred the Yamaha slightly.
    Watching 24, E.R., Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Angel and Six Feet Under the DPL2 was worthwhile.
    So a thumbs up for the Denon, except following a strong set of reviews in What Hi-Fi, the Sony was favourite.
    My thread on this forum elicited knowing replys as to the merits of each. The consensus was that if anything the Sony was as good or even slightly better.

    So in the Yamaha's favour
    1. Build quality
    2. Grunt (undeniably more than 3802)
    3. Excellent DD and DTS
    In the Denon/Sony 's favour
    1. Up to date sound formats
    2. Enough power (probably)
    3. Slightly higher resolution of subtle steering effects
    Having said all that, for £795 the Yamaha is fantastic value considering it once sold at nearly £2000.
     
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    Having said that there are alternatives to the Denon......

    Nic - you may be confusing the guy........ :p :p :p
     
  14. Nic Rhodes

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    :blush: :blush: :blush:


    Moi?
     
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    Hi Guys,


    Thanks for the responses, I went for the Denon in teh end, and did not get to confused so don't worry.

    I know that the Sony is supposed to be good although have found very few places that seem to actually have them and willing to quote a price.

    As I had what I thought was good prices on both with delivery I had already narrowed it down to them, but thanks for the other suggestions.


    Cheers,


    Dave.
     
  16. dexter

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    Dear Mike

    "Magazine-conditioned over-enthusiasm, eh?"

    Crumbs! Globalisation! I'll be buying Nike clothes and remixed Elvis songs next.

    Dexter
     

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