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Denon 3802 or 2802

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by brattle, Nov 7, 2001.

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  1. brattle

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    I'm looking for a new amp and think I'll probably plump for one of the new Denons. I was quite happily going to buy a 3802, but then I looked at the comparison chart between it and the 2802.

    The only major differences I can see are:

    - 3802 is more powerful
    - 3802 has a better remote
    - 3802 has 7.1 ouput as opposed to 6.1 on the 2802
    - 3802 has seperate stereo speaker outputs for another room

    Now I using a Philips Pronto, so the remote will join the others in the loft anyway. The extra stereo speakers aren't of any interest to me and the extra rear speaker of 7.1 can be perfectly replicated by daisy chaining two speakers (with the right impedance) to the single rear speaker of the 2802.

    Although the extra power of the 3802 is nice, it's the only real benefit against the 2802 which is £220 cheaper. Before I take the plunge with the 2802, am I missing anything obvious? 7.1 surround is something I am looking to implement (although not straight away).

    Any useful pointers would be appreciated :).
     
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    I am think the same. I know I cant get a 3802 at the moment (at a good price) and the 2802 is not yet out (maybe 2 weeks away).

    I agree with your findings, but can add to the list.

    2802 24 Bit single point DSP v 3802 32 Bit floating point DSP

    Any thoughts on the actual performance difference anybody.
     
  3. Desticado

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    #bump#

    Id be interested in any updates people have on this thread as im choosing between the two of these at the minute to power a set of Kef 2005AV
     
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    happily been using a 2802 for the last 3 weeks... fantastic sound quality in both stereo and 5.1. much better than my previous Sony dd/dts amp (which could really grate in stereo).

    no complaints here, also using a pronto as brattle was.

    re the spec comparision,
    the 2802 does have both an A/B speaker switch,
    and stereo output for multi/2nd room to another amp.

    so the only differences between it and the 3802 are:-

    slightly lower power;
    slightly different remote (but it is a learning one so useful for basic control of CD/ DVD/ VCR etc);
    6.1 rather than 7.1 output (which can be faked using 2 speakers).

    ie...not much difference at all.

    should be a review in What Hifi next month I think, but all the new denon 02 models have had 5 star reviews so far, so its unlikely to be any different.

    if you dont need the extra power, GET ONE!
     
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    Just bought the 3802 and it is quite simply awesome.
     
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    but would you rate the 3802 as £150 better than the 2802?
    Im getting more and more towards saving some dosh for cables etc and buying the 2802 but the 3802 is still very tempting just gor the kudos and longevity.
     
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    There is an extra feature that is VERY useful, particularly if you have small speakers, the variable crossover, that alone is worth the difference...
     
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    Well I've just taken delivary of my KEF 2005 system
    would you suggest these are qualifying as 'small' speakers?

    At the moment im sat looking at them and they look and feel great (solid, elegent build quality and finish).

    Should I wait until I get the Quodos cabling & denon amp (whichever model to set them up) or can I get away with using the 8ohm impedance cabling that came with the speakers for the tosh 36zp18B and plug them into the back of the set.... (an 8ohm output)

    Forgive me if im committing sacrilige here but im desperate to start sorting out where to put these and more importantly to hear them.
     
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    Of course they are small, even though what is important is not the size, but the minimum frequency response...

    Your KEFs go down to 80 hz, but without much energy there, if you check, the crossover frequency on the sub is 120 hz, so the receiver should do the same...
     
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    thanks,
    but please bear in mind that im a complte newby at this type of AV setup.

    So far iv put my system together based on research on the net (mainly here) and some chat in stores and far too many magazines.

    I confess to not knowing a crossover from a flyover...
     
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    The crossover is a set of filters that will separate the frequencies to go for each driver, in this case to the sub and to the other speakers...

    Set it to 120 hz when you get your Denon...
     
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    I have had a 3802 for a week and to confirm a previous comment from fisa - it is awsome.
    Not sure why brattle wants to put the Pronto remote in the loft - download the commands from remotecentral.com once you have made the decision to buy.
     
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    I meant the Denon remote would go in the loft, hence why the better Denon remote wasn't a concern. I'm pretty definate about getting the 3802 now, if only only because it is slightly more future proof.
     
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    Just to note that the 2802 has 3 crossover settings, the same as the 3802.
     
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    I had the same dilema, in the end I went for the 3802. Yes it's more expensive, but it sounds great.

    I decided that I would get the best amp I could afford, rather than buy a cheaper one and upgade later, which would be more expensive in the long run. I am also without a sub at the moment, but the front speaker (B&W 602.5's) can handle enough bass for the moment. Besides, the saving on teh sub let me get the better amp, and a few more discs to try the system out on!

    I'm not using the surround back option yet, as I live with my parents and don't have the space, but when I get my own place next year, another set of speakers and a sub will be arriving to take full advantage of what the system has to offer.
     
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    ?
    how so?

    dont think either of them is that different in future proofing.
    (especially based on previous Denon upgrades).
    and they have similar connectors for external input and pre-outs.

    I looked at the 3802, and could've happily bought one,
    just can't see the point on spending an extra £150-200 on it.

    the only real differences are the power rating (negligible unless you have the volume at earthquake levels, sounds fine in my 13 ft x 22ft room) and the 6.1/ 7.1 output (very minor, plus 6.1 is fine).

    as Dave Taylor pointed out, it has exactly the same
    bass management/ crossover settings...


    so is there any big difference? Not that I've seen.

    Both are excellent amps (all the current 02 denons are thrashing everything else at the moment).

    If you want to spend the extra money on 3802, then feel free.

    OR make a decent saving (with no discernible performance difference) and buy a 2802.

    spend the dosh elsewhere on other kit, cables or some more DVDs. Or more important things...

    such as...?? hmmm. tough question that one.
    :D
     
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    I stand corrected, my info was wrong, both have variable crossover, good for those with small speakers and budget ;)
     
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    hmmm...
    so a 3802 or a 2802 & a Pronto.....

    Tempting.
     
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    You don´t really need a Pronto...
     
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    errr ... why not?

    if you can save £150+ buying a 2802 instead of a 3802,
    then its a perfectly reasonable idea to buy a Pronto with the difference... (or other toys of choice).

    pronto was one of the best purchases I ever made...

    I really could not live with out mine...

    certainly dealing with 1 remote instead of 7+ is a godsend,
    plus starting up a DVD with everything set perfectly to my satisfaction with 1 button press is very very nice.

    excellent on my CD changer as well, down to track level.

    Desticado, go for it!

    a Pronto and a 2802, vs a 3802 is not a difficult choice.
     
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    I didnt really need the Kef 2005AV but its nice...... :D

    Besides my wife looks at me dissparingly due to the row of remotes on the windowsil
     
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    I said you don´t need, not you don´t want...

    As for the power difference not beeing important, or the 2802 beeing enough for a certain size room, even a batery radio is enough (if its all you have), believe me your amp is under stress a lot of times, and that means distortion, even if you are not using it full power, so more power means less distortion, not more volume...
     
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    approx 90W versus 105W isnt that much difference.

    I'm happily using my 2802 in a room 13ft x 22ft (pretty reasonable size you'd agree), which certainly caused my previous Sony amp problems.

    both are excellent amps, the question is whether its worth paying the extra unless you really want to.


    and yes, Desticado, the Pronto would get rid of all your remotes.
     
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    The obvious thing to do is do a listening test directly comparing the 3802 with the 2802.
    I did this with the Onkyo 696 and the 595. Looking at the specs there wasn't a huge amount in it but when myself and my girlfriend heard them side by side there was no contest. She wouldn't have let me buy the cheaper one even if I had thought it was better (it wasn't). The extra power gave it so much more control and depth.
    What I'm trying to say is that power and specs aren't everything. If I'd bought the cheaper amp and then heard the 696 later I would have been absolutely gutted. Use your ears to choose not your eyes.
    PS Suggest you listen to the 3802, 2802 and then compare to the Onkyos - you might just be surprised. But again, it's all down to personal preferences.

    Good luck.
     
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    In the end I went for option (C)
    a 3802 AND a pronto.....

    "If the bank manager calls, I left 20 mins ago..."
     

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