The X4700 cannot compete with a good stereo amp for music, indeed my X6500 falls quite short of my Rega amp that has HT by-pass. If you do go down that route then the Denon will benefit from having the left and right fronts driven by the power amp of that stereo amp. There will be more power available to the remaining connected speakers. Those front speakers will still be subjected to Audyssey calibration as well, so nothing is lost.
Just Spotify when comparing the two Denons. Only got streaming sources available at the moment. Thinking of getting a cd transport but only when I get the Audiolab 6000A.
Yes. Your right, I'll end up buying a 4700 plus a ht bypass. Due to the cost of that option I can see why people start upgrading to a Nad, Arcam, Anthem etc.When you say won't benefit do you mean that a 3700 and HT bypass amp won't sound as good as the 4700 for movies?
I'm on my way to doing the same. Have now got the cash set aside for an Audiolab but have been too busy the last few weekends to go and grab it!!Yes. Your right, I'll end up buying a 4700 plus a ht bypass. Due to the cost of that option I can see why people start upgrading to a Nad, Arcam, Anthem etc.
I can attest to this. I have a Denon x4500 (predecessor to the 4700) & Audiolab 6000A combo. For movies, the Denon is great and I get fabulous 2 channel stereo from the 'lab' - paired with some Monitor Audio Silver 100's.I'm on my way to doing the same. Have now got the cash set aside for an Audiolab but have been too busy the last few weekends to go and grab it!!
Agree on the high end brands. For me, it came down to having a rock solid AVR at a price that I can justify for my uses, but still having a way back into 2 channel hifi.
I doubt you'll be disappointed with the 4700, mine is a real treat to listen to for every movie
Hi Jester1066,I can attest to this. I have a Denon x4500 (predecessor to the 4700) & Audiolab 6000A combo. For movies, the Denon is great and I get fabulous 2 channel stereo from the 'lab' - paired with some Monitor Audio Silver 100's.
Thanks for all the help so far! Could I ask if the Audiolab is able to remember the last mode it’s in when it’s turned off/on? Do you have to manually switch to Pre Power mode each time you watch tv/movies?
Yep. It remembers the last mode it was in before being put into standby. Ie if it was in Pre-Pwr mode, then you pressed standby, upon turning it on again it will go straight into Pre-Pwr again. Likewise if it wasin integrated mode before being put into standby.
Reason for asking is because I’m hoping to simplify the set up (mainly for the wife). I am hoping that when I turn on the Denon AVR, which would be connected to the Audiolab via the trigger inputs, it would be able to automatically turn on and be in the Pre-Power mode and my family can watch tv without having to faff with additional remotes. On my end, I would have to remember turning it back to pre-power mode after every listening session. My wife might just stream music using the AVR (of the situation above is accurate) as she doesn’t listen as critically.
I don't think it works like that, but tbf I've never tried it so it might. I just use the method described above. You'll be surprised how quick the family will become familiar with it etc.Alternatively, is the Audiolab able to detect when a signal is passed through the “Power” in and correctly turn on and change to the correct mode? I believe that if I stream using Spotify connect to the Audiolab it would automatically turn on and be in the correct mode (Integrated).
Hi @fatsoap To answer your questions:
Yep. This is exactly how I have mine connected and used for my OH.
Connect the Audiolab 12v trigger "in" to the Denon's 12v trigger "out".
I set the mode of the Audiolab to "Pre-Power". My OH then only has to switch on the Denon, which in turn turns on the Audiolab via the trigger and (importantly) the Audiolab's Pre-Pwr mode is automatically selected/remembered. Meaning she/the kids can watch TV without altering anything on the Audiolab. Best bit is turning off the Denon also turns off the Audiolab too.
All I have to do is remember to switch to Integrated mode when I'm streaming music through the Audiolab (Denon is not on at all) and set the mode back to pre-power when I've finished...
Believe me. If I forget to switch it back to pre-power, she let's me know too!
I don't think it works like that, but tbf I've never tried it so it might. I just use the method described above. You'll be surprised how quick the family will become familiar with it etc.
Yes admitted it puts the onus on you to remember to put the Audiolab in Pre-Pwr mode - when you've finished your "critical listening" session. But, it'll quickly become second nature and routine, that You'll do it naturally. Just like you don't think of turning lights off when you leave the house, but rather just do it!
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions etc.
As a side, what speakers do you currently have (if any)?
The x3700/6000A paired with the Dali Oberon 7's is a great combination imo. For movies the x3700 is a fine receiver.Hence, the the X3700/Audiolab combo for my future set up was something I was really keen to explore, but with simplicity in mind as it’s a living room set up which my wife would have to use as well. I’ve listened to the Dali Oberon 7s in store with the X3700 and while it sounded okay to my ears - it did not move me as much as other speakers which were admittedly paired with much better electronics. I still went with the Dali’s for the balance and refinement (at least to my ears) and knowing that there is still a potential ceiling that can be achieved with decent electronics e.g. the Audiolab.
Yes - in fact I’m planning to go with the Audiolab 6000A Play which has the streamer built in for simplicity, although I read that DTS Play Fi is not a great app. Will probably use Spotify connect most of the time so should still be ok.The x3700/6000A paired with the Dali Oberon 7's is a great combination imo. For movies the x3700 is a fine receiver.
Don't forget all you stereo sources will go through the Audiolab, so the Denon doesn't even need to be on. For movies the Audiolab essentially becomes a power amp for the Oberon 7's.
So in movie mode, all the audio processing is done by the Denon. In stereo its done by the Audiolab. Therefore, if it were me, I'd put the £300 difference (between the 3700 & 4700) towards a quality Streamer like the bluesound node 2i and connect it to the 6000A via coaxial, to take advantage of the great DAC on offer in the Audiolab. Since the processing side of both Denons is virtually identical. In fact that's my exact plan! .... But I already had the 4500!. Of course, if you have no budget constraints, then get the 4700!
What sub(s) do you have/or plan to get?
DTS Play Fi is, imo woeful. A streamers success is in a large part down to how good the software is. This is what let's DTS Play Fi down.Yes - in fact I’m planning to go with the Audiolab 6000A Play which has the streamer built in for simplicity, although I read that DTS Play Fi is not a great app. Will probably use Spotify connect most of the time so should still be ok.