Denon 2900 and AVR2803 - lip sync problem

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  1. gordonavon

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    Hi,
    When I am playing DVDs on my Denon 2900 via a Denon AVR2803 I am getting lip sync problems.

    How do I adjust this - is it the amp or the DVD player that needs to be adjusted. I can't seem to find any option to adjust this.

    Also on the AVR2803 there is an option to set Trigger level. What is the trigger level?

    Gordon
     
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    This is the fault of the DVD player I'm guessing, a sync borne from progressive processing.

    Have you Multiregioned the DVD player?

    There isn't an option to correct the lip sync on the 2803 if I remember correctly, so - to be blunt - you're kind of buggered.

    The Trigger level is probably the 12V Electrical Output on the back of the DVD player - used to switch on external poweramps and drop projection screens.
     
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    I own both this peice's of equipment what films are you getting lip-sync problems with???

    I've only noticed 'Moulin Rouge', but this is a known disc!!

    Are you using a plasma display???

    Giz.
     
  4. gordonavon

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    I'm using a Toshiba 36ZP38B, I only have a few music concert DVD's at present and it seems to be on all of them.

    I have not noticed the problem on interlaced though. Another progressive scan problem - I seem to be plagued by them. I am in the process of getting the TV changed due to interference on progressive. I wonder if that will solve the lip sync problem - doubt it.

    Gordon
     
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    I only use an interlaced signal at the moment, hopefully new TV and progessive next year:rolleyes: ;)

    Sorry, i can't help you. I'm sure there are some other's around these forums with the same setup!!

    I haven't heard of this problem before from anyone else, so hopefully there's some simple solution.

    Giz.
     
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    Did you Multi-Region the player or not?
     
  7. gordonavon

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    Yes the player has been multi-regioned. I have not yet played a Region 1 disc though, all the DVD's I have tried are region 2. Can multi-regioning the machine cause the lip sync problems?
    Gordon
     
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    What music DVDs are they that are causing the problems ? I have R2 Metallica Cunning Stunts and it is awful for lip sync. It can start out fairly reasonable but just gets worse and worse.
     
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    Multi-Regioning the player Probably Did cause the lip sync problems. It's not your fault, and you couldn't have known, but it's a trait almost every Denon DVD player ever released exhibits upon multi regioning.

    Take the player back to your dealer and inform them what's gone wrong. They probably won't be able to fix it and will offer you a replacement. If you need a Multi Region player (i.e. already own Region 1 DVDs) then buy a completely different player instead, as you'll have a nightmare trying to get a working multiregion DVD2900. A Pioneer DV757Ai makes sense.

    Dimmy
     
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    Thanks for the replies. I think I will take it back to the dealer and try a non multiregion player - I really had no idea that this could be caused by multi-regioning the player

    The worst DVD I have for lip syncing is Def Leppards Historia/In the Round double. I have Kiss Symhony as well and that is not so bad but still noticeable.

    Gordon
     
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    Progressive scan introduces a delay to the video signal (over interlaced). If you are unable to add a similar delay to the audio signal, you will have ‘lip-sync’ errors.
    I know there are problems with making some Denon players MR in that the issue is worse, but in general making a player multi-region is not a cause in itself.
     
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    Nike - unless the player in question's a Denon ;).
     
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    As a new member of the Denon owners club, I have to say that I can't report any problems with lip sync on any discs I've played to date (about ten messing about / actually watching) - I'd go so far as to say that I get less issues with this one than I had with my Pioneer 656 (FOTR always looked a touch out but now seems perfect).

    My 2200 was MR modified by 7oaks & I use it in progressive mode.
     
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    Wilber - then you're one of the 'Lucky' ones, if anybody in the thread wants evidence of the problems encountered with Denon DVD players that've had Multi Region updates, just do a forum search :).
     
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    I have a multi-regioned 2900 - no problems with lipsync on prog scan. The multiregion upgrade came from Denon via the dealer. I had read of some issues with Denon players, but I have had no problems at all so far myself.

    I DID get lipsync problems on sky (going to a plasma screen via YUV convertor and component out of the 3803), solved via the 3803's audio delay.

    Stevie
     
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    Is there a list of receivers anywhere that support audio delay .. or is it a 3803 or a 3803? :)
     
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    My RXV1400 has a delay function. I believe the more expensive Pioneers do as well
     
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    The Pioneer AX3 and AX5i have the master audio delay fuctions I think.

    If the RXV1400RDS has the audio delay then I'm probably correct in saying that the RXV2400 has it too.

    The problem with Denon DVD players is that it's widely reported that such lip sync problems are never constant - i.e. the degree to which the sound is 'out' varies throughout a disc, and as a result it's a problem that arises which can't be easily corrected with master audio delays.

    My advice - don't buy Denon DVD players if you need something multiregion ;).
     
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    Me too! My dealer lent me the disc via the Denon rep and I did the upgrade myself, no probs when R2, even less probs when multi-region:clap:

    I actually found that when an odd lipsynch prob did raise it's ugly head it was exclusively on PAL DVD's, NOT NTSC:confused:

    But just as Stevie says above, it was quite easily solved via my 3803's internal audio delay:smashin:

    Regards,

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    I did, and I did; result? ZERO problems. IMHO it's a tad unfair to tar ALL with same brush:confused: Even though early models maybe affected with whatever bugs, it appears the newer ones are, in general, performing fine.

    Regards,

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    I've also had no problems
     
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    Dimmy, sorry mate, but you are talking absolute rubbish "almost ALL Denon DVD players with multi-regioning have lip-synch problems!" That kind of generalisation is very misleading. I have a 2900 which is multi-regioned and so do other people on this site. Check your facts!
     
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    Don't attack me, like I said before, you want proof, try a forum search and see how many threads you get of people with problems!

    I hate it when people get defensive over their equipment...
     
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    Ouch !! :D
     
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    Its a little misleading to use the forum as conclusive evidence. people generally only post when they find faults. I don't wake up in the morning and post saying how well all my equipment is working.
     
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    How true. If someone looked through the Television section on any forums they would never buy any set :eek:
     
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    Indeed. I bought a Denon DVD player despite threads in the DVD Players section, but won't multi-region it because I know what's more than likely to happen.

    This is a LONG standing Denon DVD problem, one that's easily avoided by not modifying Firmware on the players (i.e. not multiregioning) or just buying from another brand, which are the two solutions I recommended.

    If you can justify why that advice is 'utter rubbish' then I'll admit I'm wrong :).

    [edit]

    And why did you even quote that line when I haven't even said it???
     
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    I appreciate your zeal Dimmy, But I can't find any substantial evidence of problems with Denon 2900 or 2200, other than your assertions & the 1st post of this thread - perhaps you can point me to some.
     
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    Was easy enough, and I didn't even filter through half the search results:

    http://www.avforums.com/frame.html?...d.php?s=&threadid=104583&highlight=Denon+2900

    http://www.avforums.com/frame.html?...d.php?s=&threadid=104449&highlight=Denon+2900

    http://www.avforums.com/frame.html?...ad.php?s=&threadid=96478&highlight=Denon+2900

    There's endless reported problems with multi-regioning this player.

    Perhaps some of these have been fixed in SOME quarters by 'all new' firmware updates, but as this thread clearly shows, the problems are still there.

    I stand by my original advice, it does make the most sense :).
     
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    I don't think any of them mention lip sync as a problem
     

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