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Denon 2805 vs 3805 + DVD

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by digisocialist, Dec 9, 2004.

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  1. digisocialist

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    Hi all,

    I'm now getting confused again. This is cyclical so don't worry about me, I have a tendancy for this.

    Have spent a long time looking at my AV options. Have recently considered the AVR2805 & DVD1910 to be the best option for me (budgetary). I'm now getting increasingly confused however with what I will get for my money and whether it's worth going the next step up. Here are my thoughts:

    1 - Lot's of talk lately about HDMI/DVI. Now thinking I should ensure future compatibility is built into the equasion on this front so would like to ensure I get this option.

    2 - This leads me onto the DVD player. I have noted the 1910 only supports DVI whilst the 2910 supports both HDMI & DVI.

    3 - This leads me onto how I would exploit the advantages of the 2910 if neither of the above AVR's have a HDMI/DVI output (unless I am very mistaken). My thoughts to date have been that I would hook up the DVD to the AVR and then onto the PJ (Assume SP4805 for now). Do I have this wrong and there is only Component Out from the AVR, in which case what is the benefit of the HDMI/DVI on the DVD if it is going via the Amp?

    4 - I will be hooking up the Castle Compact Sub Sat Speakers and want best possible audiophile quality sound I can get (within reason for this price range). I understand that both AVR's are good with DTS, Dolby etc but for Stereo only the 3805 has Pure Direct. Is this going to give me the best I can get from the Castles? If not, then should I be looking at an additional Amp to drive the fronts when only using stereo and therefore save money on the AV to invest in a stereo AMP?

    I understand there are a lot of questions here but some are quite pivotal to my AV choice. There is little point in me investing extra money in the 2910 DVD if I can't get DVI out to the PJ via the AMP. Similarly then I may consider the extra money for the 3805 not worth it unless the Pure Direct mode is worth me spending the extra for improvements in Stereo; though i appreciate there may be a step up in DVD sound with the Denon Link on this model.

    Many thanks in advance
     
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    You don't need to connect the DVD to the AMP for video, just connect it directly to the Projector via DVI/HDMI.

    The 2805 also has Pure Direct. Just bear in mind the 2805 and 2910 don't have Denon Link. If you want Denon Link you need to move up the 3805 Receiver and 3910 DVD player.
     
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    Jase - Thanks. So as I am likely to be using only a Component connection (for now) to the PJ (as that's all I have cabled in my room!!) I wouldn't therefore get any use out of the HDMI/DVI for the time being - though, the 4805 does have a HDCP compliant DVI port so I could ultimately use the DVI from the 1910 > 4805 DVI (I think though don't know whether the connections on either the 4805 or 1910 are DVI-I or DVI-D). It may therefore be a consideration for me cut back on the DVD i.e. stick with the 1910 (or something else in the price bracket), which at least may allow me to use the DVI-DVI in the future and spend the cash saved on not going up to the 2910 and spend that on the 3805.

    What are your thoughts on the 3805 in Stereo? I'm not too concerned about the Denon Link functionality providing there is a performance gain in Stereo quality. This is very important to me for both CD and Vinyl.
     
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    I think the 3805 is very good in Stereo, certainly it's Pure Direct mode. Others may think differently. Then again, I've always preferred the sound of Denon's to other makes. :)
     
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    OK a few more questions.... (still doing my head in)

    1 - If using the DVD2910 in Pure Direct Mode, does the 3805 PDM overide this? If not, then would quality be lost with Stereo if using a DVD Player without PDM alongside the 3805 i.e. the 1910?

    2 - Progressive Scan; would the performance gain offered by the DVD (1910/2910) onboard Faroudja DCDi be overidden by the Faroudja DCDi on the SP4805?

    I may be looking at this wrong, so please correct me but as both the 2805 & 3805 offer Pure Direct & AL24 processing, and I can't make use of Denon Link as the DVD 3910 is out of my budget, other than raw power the performance gains from the 2805 to 3805 seem to centre around the Burr Brown DACS and DDSC used on the 3805 (though I can't quite make out if DDSC is independant of Denon LINK i.e. performance is obtained with it even without using the Denon Link option.)

    The bottom line is I'm trying to work out which of the following options to get:
    1) 2805 + 2910
    2) 3805 + 1910

    I like the look of the 3805 but am fearful that marrying it with a 1910 DVD is not going to make good use of it - that said, if some of the features on the 2910 are overidden by the 3805 i.e. PDM, then I may not be loosing out so much. Even pushing the boat out and getting 3805 with the 2910 still means I can't make use of Denon Link so here it may not be worth it (though the 2910 has HDMI).

    Which of the two options above would people go for if it were their decision?
     
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    If you wanted to use the Pure Direct Mode of the DVD player (i.e it's DAC's) you would feed an Analogue signal to the Amp via a pair of analogue phono cables. If you send the AMP a Digital signal you would use it's Pure Direct Mode and it would be using it's internal DAC's. The 2805 and 3805 both have 100% analogue bypass so you won't be overriding one Pure Direct Mode with another in terms of digital to analogue conversion.

    With the PJ it depends what it's native resolution is and on what signal you're actually feeding it. Ideally it's best to send it the highest resolution possible that it can accept and then it will downscale to match it's native res. You'd have to play around to see for yourself to be honest.

    DDSC (Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit) just refers to the processing, processors etc. All the Denon's have it, just some use different processors.

    Of the two options you've mentioned I'd go for the 2805/2910. At least you have HDMI which gives a bit of future proofing.
     
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    You're a good lad Jase. :D
     

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