I bought a Denon 2800 Mk2 today, and yes I know you lot don't like it, but it was £369 which I thought was a good price to warrant "risking it". And I'm sure you would agree that even with it's alleged problems I wasn't going to get a better player for the 350-ish quid I was willing to pay for one, baring in mind I want to play audio CD's on it too. Anyway, looking through the reams of threads on the subject of it's errors ranging from moderately informative posts to people just saying "Crap, Crap, Crap, Crap" I've still not got the definitive answer I am looking for. So with the shop fitted firmware update (without PAL progressive) Saving Private Ryan and Shrek among others does suffer from picture break up at the bottom of the screen when chapters are changed. I've tried this on a none multi-region 2800 and it works fine. So whatever firmware they installed to make it multi-region is at fault. So is there any other multi-region firmware that doesn't have this problem? Specifically I've found the "European Denon 2800Mk2 region free firmware with Progressive PAL scan" (it goes by the file name of DH28NVMK.CES) will updating to this fix the screen break up problem? If I update to the PAL progressive firmware will all PAL DVD's have lip sync problems, or is that only if "Progressive" is turned on in the options? I won't be using Progressive for NTSC or PAL so turning it off will not be a problem. I've heard a lot of people criticise the Denon, but is there anybody out there that likes it or have fixed the break up problem? Is there anymore problems I should watch out for? In the next couple of weeks I'm planning to get a Pioneer VSX-2011 receiver (or possibly the 1011), so I did consider getting a Pioneer 656 DVD player to match it, I can pick one of those up for £300, but surely the quality wont be a patch on the Denon 2800? Perhaps I should point out that I am upgrading from a Techtronics modded Sony S725 player which has served me well for many years. But I feel with my speaker/receiver upgrade the time has come to update my DVD player too. I've spoken to the dealer and he is happy to take back the Denon 2800 if I'm not happy. Any advice on what I should do would be helpful, but please don't post to "send it back" just because you have a grudge against Denon as a brand. I would like impartial advice on whether the Denon is a good £370 DVD player, if the screen break-up is fixable with a firmware update and finally if there is a better DVD player available at the £350 mark (that would offer improvement over my 725) Thanks in advance for your help, I'll look forward to hearing from you all soon! P.S. Do firmware multi-region updates allow for RCE titles to be played, or does that have to be a hardware mod?