Denon 1909 Owners Thread *Part 2*

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  1. dwhite

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    So where is the cheapest place to get this product right now? New/second hand?
     
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    Probably still RS, you can also PM Filbert he was showing some good prices recently
     
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    Hey just got myself one of these at the weekend from my local Denon dealer matching richer sounds at £299 and while it is a stop gap till i get my new build house i have to say very impressed.A few questions though i have the scaler turned off for dvd input as i am letting my bd 30 do that itself and also the x box is doing 1080p with scaler off,is this just a direct pass through the amp and is this the best way to do it?

    I ran the audessy but was very unimpressed with its measuring skills and have it all turned off apart from on tv input.Is it worth perservering with or is it a bit of a gimmick if you know a little about av[it measured my sub which is less than 3m away at over 7m].

    Any advice based on what i am running would be appreciated.

    Oh and Logitech get your finger out as i expected my harmony to learn everything from there database and i had to do it myself which took over 2 hours to self teach and re-label.:eek:
     
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    Just want to find out how many of you use Audessy at all? Do you have the Green Light on, the Red Light on or No light on?
     
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    can i use B&W 683's with the Denon 1909?
     
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    Green light all the way for me. Without resorting to What Hi-Fi type descriptions :rolleyes: my audio settings sound 'taught' and 'focussed' far more than my AVR 2106 ever did. Give me those dynamic settings baby!
     
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    I am currently using it for tv only as it seems to ramp up the lows a bit when normal listening but not for anything else.
     
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    My green light is always on too, I tried it with it off and the sound to me is loose and muddy and a bit all over the place TBH
     
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    If using the green light with music or movies, won't you lose some of the dynamics? I am using the green light for TV only to try and keep everything around level.
     
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    Edit: ^^^ What he said ^^^

    Green Light for TV. All other sources are Red.
     
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    Audessy worked well for me and managed to set all my speakers to the correct distance.

    I wasn't sure whether it was right with the centre though: It set it as 'large'? It's an MS 905i

    I use the red light unless it's night when I use the green to make everything sound a little clearer at low volume.
     
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    Hmmm, I might be missing something, I think I'll try my movies with my red light instead and try listen to the movies again.
     
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    I don't think it will make a huge difference, but if you use the dynamic volume with music and movies it will boost the lower volumes and cut back the higher volumes which means you lose the impact of loud moments. I havn't really tested it extensively with both though.
     
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    Ok I always thought that having it on was a good thing, so if I take dynamic volume off it should then not change the volumes of the disk ie: you are hearing as the sound man in the studio heard it?
     
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    Well audyssey claim that it attempts to retain maximum dynamic range, but at the end of the day, the volume is being altered. Personally I would just prefer to leave it, but that is because I tend to watch movies and listen to music at a decent volume. If I was forced to listen at low volumes, I would probably use it.
     
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    I would only recommend using Audessy Dynamic Volume for Sky/TV viewing. When watching films you should (IMO) not be using Dynamic Volume. As for MultEQ, that is a matter of preference.

    I have a 3808a at home, I use MultEQ and Volume for Sky viewing, and Wii. EQ only for DVD/BR viewing, and Volume and EQ off for CD listening.
     
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    Once again thanks to Filbert for clearing that up.

    I've got my 1909 but my next AV purchase will most likely come your way ;)
     
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    Thanks kempez, thought it might be useful to say what I do, but that's all it was, me saying what I do, you and everyone else on this thread should do what YOU think sounds best!
     
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    Appreciated, but you do help so many people that a thanks is not remiss :thumbsup:

    Settings others use can be used as a basis for comparison and a good starting point, in my opinion.
     
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    I've everything setup (3 quick select buttons) and everything sounds great. :thumbsup: I was expecting the setup to be much more difficult than it actually was. I used the auto setup and the measurements were spot on so I've left them (except for stereo sound with I've changed to custom and altered the distances).

    My lights are always green, in fact, I didn't know there was another colour. :rolleyes: Since I haven't opened the manual yet, it seems like I've a lot of reading to catch up on this weekend!
     
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    I've been led to believe that no matter what the speakers, if you have a sub they should all be set to small?
     
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    Just got the AVR-1909 for PC (music/movies) use in my home office... overkill I know. ;)

    Also got a set of KEF KHT1005.2's which integrate with the Denon in a small room perfectly.

    I set the cross-over on the KEF Cube to max (140Hz) and the gain to 50%. I then ran the Audyssey MultEQ auto room set-up and was really impressed with the result.

    I have however turned Dynamic EQ off and enabled Tone Control, which sounds better IMHO. I found that Dynamic EQ was overdoing the bass and rears somewhat.

    All the levels/delays remain the same, therefore, I assume it's only equalization that is affected by turning Dynamic EQ off for Audyssey??

    I'm happy with my purchase anyway, and the KEF's are great for what I need for such a small room. Midrange is lacking a little, but the sub seems to make up for that and sounds rich and controlled to me. :thumbsup:

    Just my $0.02
     
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    Ok so have you adjusted the crossover on the actual sub unit and in the denon menu??I am running the 2005.2 full package and have turned everything off but i am open to suggestions as its a bit of a minefield setting this up by look of things.
     
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    I don't have a sub at the moment so that doesn't apply to me. But for movies that's what I was led to believe though. I'm not sure if the centre should be set to small or not though really as it does have decent size drivers but it is only a centre.

    For music I'd not use a sub anyway, so would need my floorstanders to be set to big for that.
     
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    You should set the crossover on the Denon to 120Hz (and the speakers for that matter, as the receiver set mine to 250Hz??). Also make sure all speakers are set to small and that the sub is set to LFE+MAIN. This way anything below 120Hz will be sent to the sub and not just the LFE channel.

    The Kef's will play below 120Hz, however, start to "roll off" at around 120Hz. So 120Hz is sweet spot for the crossover.

    Hope this helps. :)
     
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    Really depends on who you talk to and what speakers you have. Mark @ Focal recommended that I set all my Focal speakers to large in my front room, as they are more than capable to playing below 80Hz.

    However, when I had large Kef floorstanders in the living room Kef told me to set them all to small.

    I guess a good compromise would be to set the centre and rears to small and the FL & FR speakers to large (provided they can handle low frequncies).
     

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