Democracy what is it good for?

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  1. pragmatic

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    DEMOCRACY | The Economist

    Extremely good essay on modern democracy, its current and past problems, and potential solutions.
    A pretty easy read for what could be quite boring.
     
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    Absolutely nuthin'
     
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    Good article.

    It could be democracy needs something to fight against in order to maintain it's structure. Historically, democratic countries have fought in many wars and the population within held their country with pride.

    Those days have gone - no major wars protecting democracy - so the democratic countries are slowly weakening. No pride, weakness in government, general malaise and a certain amount of laziness is eroding the democratic system.

    No doubt something else will replace it in due course or democracy will change to meet the challenge.
     
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    Isn't obvious ? Just as slavery ended, so will democracy. Its over and so is any form of rule. Once people realise it was an interim step it will be dispensed with. We have an appointment with destiny and it won't be denied. No structure can be tolerated. Just as organised religion once promised absolution then died in flames, so will democracy. Its natural progress.
     
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    By the way - slavery hasn't ended.

    Considering democracy goes back 2,600 years seems strange to say it's an interim step!

    Oh, I get it - you hate the state, therefore you hate democracy? :D
     
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    Funny how you think in terms of time. There is only now, this very moment. I don't 'hate' anything or anybody. How could I ? :) I see it like growing old, or birth. Its just a natural evolution.
     
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    You've left footprints in the paint again Karkus! :D
     
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    Then it is fine to walk in the wet paint. We have but a few years of life given. To spend all that time building a monument seems futile when there is grass to run on, people to take a drink with and music to dance to. :)
     
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    Yes - living in a democracy and under the security of the state certainly allows freedom to do stuff.
     
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    We were born free. Nothing else is necessary. If you feel you require a human master then its none of my business. Mine is God.
     
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    Arguably worse - at least the human one exists :)
     
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    I said mine and not yours. :) Everyone is free to choose their own poison, I don't expect that anyone should choose mine. Freedom is freedom it doesn't come with strings attached.
     
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    [quote="karkus30, post: 20401786, member: 14497" Freedom is freedom it doesn't come with strings attached.[/quote]

    Does that mean freedom comes with no strings of responsibility attached?
     
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    Does that mean freedom comes with no strings of responsibility attached?[/quote]

    Responsibility for actions doesn't change, just the acceptance of that responsibility.
     
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    isn't that anarchy?
     
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    Well, you know, I'm talking about myself and anyone else who doesn't wish to be part of this violent social collective that seems so popular. Those who have a mind to go in the direction of freedom accept the responsibility that goes with it gladly.

    As far as I'm concerned, those who wish to live under a regime are more than welcome to do so. I don't believe that anybody has any more say than anyone else, or that a majority/minority have any right to impose their will by force of arms.

    If someone wishes to be a slave then they should have that right. Its not my business to determine what is best for them anymore than a democratic majority has any business determining what's best for me.
     
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    I have no problems with that at all, in fact I admire your stance. We are born free and we die free - it's the fleeting bit in between that's necessary because that is the bit we are judged on.

    However, while I'm alive, I work with the system and the system works for me. It's a relationship: 'one to many' type relationship (if you are familiar with databases).

    In fact the relationship is very much like the relationship people have with God, again 'one to many' type of relationship. Also, the hierarchical structure is similar with the angels et al. Not very democratic though - I bet there's no voting in Heaven. Just a cascade of unelected masters who rule for evermore.
     
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    Relationship with God ? Interesting concept, not too practical though. :)
     
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    Mind you don't slip up on that wet paint. :D
     
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    I look forward to slipping :) seems I learn more that way.
     

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