I was all set on a Rel Stampede until I stumbled across this forum. The Rel is compact, has had great music reviews, good WAF, remote control, very flexible filtering etc...then I read about SVS. Ohhh. No remote (useful when switching DVD/music or genre), too big, but the spec I just love those cylinders - they really appeal and they seem to make sonic sense. So I'll just go and have a demo....oh problem. If there was just one version, maybe I'd just take the plunge, but there aren't, there are i's +'s & ultras and different size bins. If there is a kind soul out there in the Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, Oxfordshire area who is willing to help out a future SVS fan with a quick demo, please let me know. (Hope this doesn't contravene any forum rules) Thanks Ian. PS Can those cylinders be used on their side - might be easy to hide it behind a sofa until it is accepted to what it delivers?