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Dell's 24 inches of joy for $1,199

Discussion in 'LCD & LED LCD TVs' started by Master Rahl, Feb 17, 2005.

  1. Master Rahl

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    http://home.businesswire.com/portal...d=news_view&newsId=20050214005189&newsLang=en

    http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000347031610/

    Very nice. With the exchange rate that comes to what, 300 pounds? :D In any case, I think I may pick up one.
     
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    Despite having a range of inputs it doesnt have hdcp/hdmi :thumbsdow
     
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    He means £3000 here in the UK... he missed a 0 :D
     
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    + import duty + shipping. At guess they will do a straight $ to £ conversion and Dell UK will be selling it for £1199
     
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    Looking at the Dell monitor prices at the moment, the UK prices in pounds seem to be about 20% lower than the US prices in dollars - so hopefully it will be around £1000 - certainly it shouldn't be any more than this if it's included in the pretty regular 20% off (or similar) promotions from Dell. Sounds like a very nice monitor!
     
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    Nope Dell don't do that (pounds for dollars)

    Dell FP2005 20" WS monitor is same price in US and UK for example
    US

    The W2600 LCD is actually cheaper in the UK than the US (once you remove VAT)
     
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    The lack of HDCP is a great shame. :(

    There's also a potential problem with refresh rate. If you read the specs carefully it quotes a vertical refresh rate of 56-75Hz (depending on resolution - only 60Hz for the top two). So that means there would be frame rate conversion issues if you tried to use one to display a British 50Hz signal. :mad:
     
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    well they might come out with a UK model that addresses that
     
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    They might - but I wouldn't get your hopes up. If the UK model is different from the model for the rest of the world then that will put the price up. But in any case I doubt that Dell would bother - this is something that's intended primarily for use as a computer monitor, not a TV, and those modifications aren't necessary for it to work as a computer monitor in this country.
     
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    Analog signals give out a Hz. Digital do not. On a LCD, a pixel remains a given color until instructed to change color, so, as far as I know, the refresh rate is not really a problem. What is a factor is the response time, which is 12-16 ms for this one, quite low!

    I will using this for my HTPC (which will also be a workstation). 24" is quite big for an LCD supporting 1920x1200.
     
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    Pardon?

    Possibly you're trying to say that refresh rate is only an issue for CRT monitors and not LCD ones.

    For use with PCs this is broadly correct: 60Hz is fine. But the problem in this case has very little to do with use as a PC monitor. I'm thinking about using this device as a television, driven by a set-top-box, or a DVD player, or a video scaler/deinterlacer (or, potentially, a PC being used as one).

    For this purpose a refresh rate of 60Hz is too high not too low. In Britain TV and DVD has a 50Hz frame rate, so to display it on something that updates at 60Hz isn't easy and usually leads to loss of image quality.
     
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    The specs on this look fantastic! - Wonder if it will be worth the wait - as I was about to buy the Sony 23" tft screen - the DELL however appears to have a better contrast and brightness spec as well as an extra 1" !! -and possibly cheaper to boot!
     
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    No, you're not understanding what I'm saying. On a CRT, 60Hz means that the electron beam refreshes the entire screen 60 times per second. Yes, that would be too high for a 50Hz country. On a LCD screen, however, it is irrelevant since pixels change when requested to do so. There is no "refreshing." The only thing of importance is response time, or how long it takes for a pixel to change colors.
     
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    Go to this link: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2405fpw/English/about.htm#Specifioications

    Scroll down till you get to "Resolution". Note this bit:
     
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    Anyone heard any more news on the availability of this screen??
     
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    It is very relevant The NTSC standard is 60 frames/fields per second. The PAL and European standard is 50 frames/fields per second. If the monitor will only accept 56 to 60Hz it cannot accept any PAL/European material. So to tdisplay this on this display will need to have it frame rate converted from 50Hz to whatever frame rate/resolution you decide to use on the monitor and accept any loss in quality associated with it. This is relevant for both analogue and digital inputs.

    -Ian
     
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    I am getting one of these for my new PC to replace my 2005FPW monitor. Rrp for this will £850 including VAT. Someone from Germany on ebay is selling them for £690 however I think they are preorders. They are supposed to be out in March.

    Here are some pics of it from a guy in Japan who already has it:
    http://blog.livedoor.jp/ukkarihachi...es/2005-02.html

    http://blog.livedoor.jp/thanks339/
    The pics confirm it is the Samsung Panel.
     
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    Nick,

    Excellent work - thanks for that!

    Any reports of backlight seepage/bleeding a la 2005fpw?

    Are Dell swapping your 2005fpw for a 2405fpw because of issues or are you simply buying the 2405fpw and keeping the 2005fpw?

    Thanks!
     
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    Hi, haven't heard any reports of backlight probs but hardly anyone has it so will just have to wait and see. I'm hoping it should be ok being a completely different panel and all (was the last panel an LG one?).

    I'm building my Dad a SFF PC and giving him my 2005FPW with it as I know he likes it a lot. I could so with more desktop space so the 24" should fuel my needs :D

    By the way, I bought my 2005FPW in December and had no backlight problems but just a couple of stuck pixels (which I don't notice unless looking for them).

    Cheers, Nick.
     
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    Do we have any idea when they will be released in the UK.

    I was about to make a compromise and go and get an Apple 20" due to the problems that people are having with the 23".

    If this Panel is out within the next few weeks, it would probably be worth the wait!!

    Im really impressed with the specs, but as we all know. "The proof of the pudding is in the eating" lets hope it lives up to expectations!!!
     
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    I heard it was out early march. It's amazing value for money (assuming it isn't plagued with backlight issues) it will be interesting to see how much the samsung will retail for (same panel) I'd imagine it will be way over the £1000 mark.
     
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    I dont think it will be over £1000, its selling in Australia for $1600 and in america has been unofficially given the price tag of $1195 US.

    I think that roughly translates into £850-£900 which, if thought about reasonably the Apple 23" should be priced at.

    We shall soon see!!!

    I will be making enquiries by phone tomorrow, if I can get through I shall post any info I recieve!!
     
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    Are you talking about the Dell or the Samsung? The Dell is £850 rrp as already covered. I was talking about the Samsung.
     
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    My apologise, yes I was referring to the Dell!!
     
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    £850 sounds good value when compared to the 23" Sony at circa £1400!

    If it is launched on the 1st March how many people are going to buy one?

    Think upgraditis has set in so I can see an order from me to replace the 2005fpw!
     
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    I'll probably get one in April so I can wait a bit to see how others find it. If all is well I'll make a purchase.
     
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    More specs:

    Faceplate coating: Antiglare with hard-coating 3H
    Backlight: 6 CCFLs U-type backlight

    Inputs:
    Analog RGB: 0.7 Volts +/-5%, 75 ohm input impedance
    Digital DVI-D TMDS: 600mV for each differential line, 50 ohm input impedance
    S-video: Y input 1 volt(p-p), C input 0.286 volt(p-p), 75 ohm input impedance
    Composite: 1 volt(p-p), 75 ohm input impedance
    Component: Y, Pb, Pr are all 0.5~1volt(p-p), 75 ohm input impedance
    Synchronization input signals: Separate horizontal and vertical, 3.3V Cmos or 5V TTL level, positive or negative sync. SOG (Sync on green)


    Card Reader Specifications
    Overview

    * The Flash Memory Card Reader is a USB storage device that allows users to read and write information from and into the memory card.
    * The Flash Memory Card Reader is automatically recognized by Windows 2000 and XP.
    * Once installed and recognized, each separate memory card (slot) appears as a separate drive/drive letter.
    * All standard file operations (copy, delete, drag-and-drop, etc.) can be performed with this drive.

    Features

    The Flash Memory Card Reader has the following features:

    * Supports Windows 2000 and XP operating systems
    * No Windows 9X support from Dell
    * Mass Storage Class device (No drivers are required under Windows 2000 and XP)
    * USB-IF certification
    * Supports various memory card media



    ====================
    FCC Declaration of Conformity
    According to 47 CFR, Part 15 of the FCC Rules

    * For the following named product :

    COLOR MONITOR
    (Category Name)

    2405FPW / DELL™ - BenQ
    (Model No / Brand Name) (Basic Model)

    * Manufactured at :
    BenQ Corporation

    We hereby declare that this device complies with Part 15 of the FCC Rules.
    Operation is subject to the following two conditions :

    This device may not cause harmful interference, and
    This device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation.
    * FCC Rules :
    Tested to comply with FCC part 15, class B

    * Test site at :
    Compliance Engineering Services, Sunnyvale, CA, USA

    * Responsible Party for Product Compliance:
    =============================
     
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    The 2005FPW was built by LG, and had "CCFL (6) edgelight system" back lights. This one is build by BenQ, and has 6 "CCFLs U-type" back lights.




    The 2405 is 3.15" wider than the 2005, and 1.95" taller.
     

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