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Definitive 50hz widescreen??

Discussion in 'TVs' started by IvorBigun, Sep 4, 2003.

  1. IvorBigun

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    Having read through these forums over the past few weeks in an effort to decide which new TV to buy, i think a basic 50hz 32" widescreen would be my best choice. Decent picture quality is the only real criteria. Is there a definitive TV i should be looking at??
     
  2. MartinImber

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    I prefer the Sony 50Hz to the basic 100Hz - have a look at KV32DX40 as it is the nearest to my nearly 4 year old set.

    Bit pricey but a good picture
     
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    Ivor, I too have a sony, KD-32DX40 a year old at christmas. It's 50Hz and has both analogue and digital tuner so you can get the freeview channels. Digital is swell most of the time it depends on the quality of the broadcast.

    As regards picture I've always thought sony looked the best side by side other makes in the shops no matter how badly set up they all were. I've always thought it was down to the trinitron tube but many people seem to disregard that these days, I don't know why.

    I'll always buy sony until I see a picture I prefer elsewhere.

    cosaw
     
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    Thanx for the response, over the past 20 years we have had various Sony TVs and have in the main been very happy with them. Its good to hear that they are still held in resonably high esteem. Looks like a trip to JL & a price match is imminent.
     
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    Sony TV's are NOT the same quality as 20 years ago!

    They've gone downhill in the last 10 years or so; since the production line moved to the factory in Wales.
     
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    Nothing wrong with Sony sets whatsoever, Nathan has posted almost the identical quote about Wales well over a dozen times..

    Id recommend Sony to anyone, and certainly 8 months ago when I was looking there wasnt much to equal them, In fact only the Loewe was a match..

    Chris
     
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    I know a Sony engineer; he says don't buy Sony- they are low quality. Pretty much says it all really.

    pah... Sony are match to Loewe; don't make me laugh.
     
  8. MartinImber

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    Well I am going to cause some contention here!

    Firstly I don't like 100Hz artifacts - never liked to FX60 ect.

    I have seen the same DVD on my 50Hz TV and also on a properly set up Loewe - and in all honesty I prefer my TV.

    Why - no 100Hz messing it up - no conversion for doing these digital tricks, resolution - roughly the same - colours - I have set my TV up very carefully for RGB sources.

    Yes I do prefer budget Sonys to top end Loewes.

    However other people are different!
     
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    I changed from a Sony widescreen earlier this year to a Loewe set and there is no comparison.
    My only regret was that I didn't buy a Loewe set last time I bought a TV.
    The Sony set had a few niggles, nothing major, but it cannot compete with the Loewe for picture quality.
    Even my friend who had recently purchased a top end Panasonic set was gutted when he saw how good the picture on the Aconda was.
    And I don't even have a pro scan DVD player like he does.

    At the end of the day it's all down to personal preferences.
     
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    Martin, never really looked too much at the 100Hz Sonys they were out of my price range at the time so went for the 50Hz. However this was one of my initial concerns, artifacts etc. due to interpolating extra frames. I'm a bit of a purist, and am not really a fan of creating stuff that wasn't there in the first place.

    As regards quality of manufacture/reliability It's hard to tell. I've heard reports similar to those from Nathan about Sony. But have also heard similar reports about other companys all from service engineers. I think many makes have been cheapened over the years but that's the way it goes with most things. I've heard that most makes are certainly more difficult to repair without specialist tools due to smaller more complex circuit boadrs and chips etc.

    Can't say I've viewed any Loewes but have heard many good reports and would be interested to see some.

    One of the posters initial concerns was picture quality. Refering back to my original post:

    As I've said I've not seen a loewe so can't judge. All I know is that the trinitron tube is different to most. Phosphors go across the screen RGBRGB forming vertical columns of solid colour as opposed to the conventional triangles of RGBs. I've always found this to lead to a far crisper picture especially at closer viewing distances. Here are the details on how this works :lesson: : http://www.monitorworld.com/faq_pages/q28_page.html

    Do Loewe's adopt a similar principle? Regardless of this if you prefer the picture then go for it!

    cosaw
     
  11. MartinImber

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    I prefer the shadow grill over mask, also I have had Sony TVs for nearly 20 years and the first still works.

    However the same tube is happy with different line resolution as it uses stripes rather than dots.

    Anyway I do think the 50Hz tubes are stunning when RGB driven (which mine is almost exclusively)
     
  12. Orbitalzone

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    I have to pretty much agree with what Martin says about 50Hz etc....

    As a former TV service engineer (and one that was actually very interested in the technology, (unlike many engineers I know) I must say that the first generation of 50Hz widescreens (Sony's in particular) were very dull picture quality, poor geometry etc. When they launched the 50Hz KV28FX20 range the image quality was much much better. It was much the same with the early 100Hz TV's... lousy digital noise, motion judder and generally very garish looking images... but I'd say they've improved a lot in the last couple of years.. although I still have not yet seen a 100Hz TV that outperforms my 50Hz KV28FX20.... although I have spent much time in the service menu tweaking it.

    Anyhow, I must try out these Loewes... I've not had much chance to check them out.......
     
  13. MartinImber

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    Not a bad TV - just got a poor tuner.

    The IDTV version is excellent 3 Scart rather than 2 and an excellent DTTV tuner
     
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    Well mine must be a good 'un ;)

    Actually it does perform quite well and I'm in a poorish area for analogue TV but I never use it... I tend to use Sky for BBC / ITV channels these days.. and it looks great with that.

    But I was lucky enough to be able to choose the exact TV I got (I use to run a TV shop and so I picked the best one I could... the geometry sure does vary from TV to TV (same model TV)
     
  15. MartinImber

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    The DX20 and FX20 have the same analogue tuner and my analogue picture is pretty poor compared to the digital tuner.

    Anything RGB sourced through Sony 50Hz Wegas just seems to be so good in the picture department
     
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    Orbitalzone, being a former tv service engineer you seem like the guy to ask.

    Been pleased with all my sony sets. Only real problems I've had we're small geometry issues. However nothing too anoying. Something that all the sets have had though has been to do with the aperture grill. All of them have had slight kinks or deformations in the apeture grill in certain places, usually near the edges or top and bottom of the screen. It's never really affected picture and is only really visible when the telly is turned off. However on my latest Wega set (KD-32DX40) these deformations do become aparent when you look at the set from angles between around 170 to 180 degrees either way. There's a pinkish hue.

    Screen:
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    |---*-------------------------*---|
    |---*-------------------------*---|
    |---*-------------------------*---|
    |---*-------------------------*---|
    |---*-------------------------*---|
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    * = areas of slight indentation on aperture grill
    The -s on screen just represent spaces (just using the spacebar messes the picture up for some reason!)

    The *s just mark out the surface area they are not individual indentations but represent a continuous surface area where the grill becomes contoured due to this slight depression. This is more regular than on any other sony sets I've had.

    As said when the telly's on it's not an issue picture wise. Just wondered what it was due to and if it was particularly something suffered by trinitrons?

    cosaw
     

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