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Is there any customs to pay?Yup with customs it usually no longer makes sense to import.
Is there any customs to pay?Yup with customs it usually no longer makes sense to import.
Well, I am in ROI so not for me but I would imagine that you would be hit with some customs fee for importing from EU if you would be to order from ROI.Is there any customs to pay?
I'm not sure there's anything major, we still trade pretty freely with the EU I think. We'd pay VAT, but anything sent over would have Ireland's VAT removed first, so that's no different. It was more the cost of sending I was thinking of.Well, I am in ROI so not for me but I would imagine that you would be hit with some customs fee for importing from EU if you would be to order from ROI.
Only some sub amps this year I think. I think I paid VAT at 20%, and therefore got Germany's equivalent VAT removed, so it was the same.I don't know how much you order from EU but I order a lot from UK.
Oh dear - what percentage are they for you?Everything has customs duties added on top.
That's a bummerNeedless to say I don't order as much as I used to from UK
And UK 2nd hand market is completely gone for me
If you are covering your whole room in mvel (including ceilings), no matter how much light your throw at it, you won’t see hardly anything. It absorbs all forms of light. Consider this before doing it, I can’t see anything when my curtains are drawn, even getting to my seats is an issue…..No you're quite right, but my plan is to put plenty of light on it when a film isn't on, so I'd hope I can see it. But if not, then I like your approach.
Thanks Mark. That is a real worry. How much light have you tried throwing at it?If you are covering your whole room in mvel (including ceilings), no matter how much light your throw at it, you won’t see hardly anything. It absorbs all forms of light. Consider this before doing it, I can’t see anything when my curtains are drawn, even getting to my seats is an issue…..
If you are covering your whole room in mvel (including ceilings), no matter how much light your throw at it, you won’t see hardly anything. It absorbs all forms of light. Consider this before doing it, I can’t see anything when my curtains are drawn, even getting to my seats is an issue…..
Thanks Mark. That is a real worry. How much light have you tried throwing at it?
You’ll definitely need some form of backing material behind the UF material.Thanks Mark. That is a real worry. How much light have you tried throwing at it?
Trying to think of solutions.
So we're making our rooms black to both increase contrast, and reduce what you can see other than the screen, while a film is playing. What are the most important areas for that purpose:
The general standard answer is the screen wall, and anything close to it is primary, followed by walls, ceiling, floor up to your viewing position. Then maybe the back wall.
But does this general guide apply to every inch of every surface? For example, does the fabric on the walls need to extend all the way to the floor and ceiling, or once at the extremes is it a lot less important? Because if they could be painted black, as opposed to covered in fabric, they'd light up well with strips of LED or downlights etc. And one could do the same with soffits.
Side note: Seymour screens don't think you need dark from wall, because if you've got the rest dark, then there's nowhere letting light bounce back to the front wall, so it'll be dark anyway. I haven't tested the theory.
It’s directional remember. Try the opposite way.Further to the above, I've opened my MVEL, and with it in a dark room (not treated), I've shone a light on it with a work light. I flattened it roughly, which is obviously not the same as stretching it. Where it's flat and the light hits it at a right angle (towards the lower middle of the picture) it doesn't light up, but where the light hits it at an angle it seems to light up quite a lot I think.
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Ah. I was testing a minute ago, rotating the fabric. Is it purely down to the angle you're viewing from, or is it also down to the angle it's lit from?It’s directional remember. Try the opposite way.
mine lights up a silvery colour if I look from the screen side, but doesn’t at all from my seating side.
What's the backing material needed for?You’ll definitely need some form of backing material behind the UF material.
What's the point in even switching the film on if you can see a speaker somewhere?How much the room needs to be covered is up to you. I’ve got an OCD about certain things that irritate me, so I don’t want to see anything when viewing the film, whereas it won’t bother 90% of people if in the corner of their eye they can see a reflection from a speaker for example.
Yes, agreed, I just wonder if there's areas of the room which don't really receive much light when a film is on.The issue you have when you go so dark is whatever is next to it - black paint for example, always looks lighter than it actually is, and can illuminate on certain scenes of films.
Because ideally I want to walk into a room with it looking nice, settle down with everyone, press play and switch the lights off and away we go, rather than having to get up and walk around closing curtains.Whatever you think about curtains, if you want some form of ambient light, they are probably the best option. No really sure when you’re against them, you can’t see them when they are pulled back in my room (they hide behind the screen) and can’t see them (or anything) when they’re drawn.
Anything behind your eyelineYes, agreed, I just wonder if there's areas of the room which don't really receive much light when a film is on.
increases contrast, stops light bleed through your screen, increases sharpness - some black spandex will do the job fineWhat's the backing material needed for?
takes me a total of around 5 seconds, you could of course leave them fully drawn, only opening them when you actually need more lightBecause ideally I want to walk into a room with it looking nice, settle down with everyone, press play and switch the lights off and away we go, rather than having to get up and walk around closing curtains.
Ah, I didn't realise you meant the screen, I thought you meant the MVEL on the walls. I don't know what UF stands for (I've not got the Seymour UF).increases contrast, stops light bleed through your screen, increases sharpness - some black spandex will do the job fine
Yeah, but then one of my kids wants to go to the toilet or get a drink, so I have to get up etc to open curtains so they can see. And then I have to wait until they're seated before I sit back down. And what if I'm not watching a film, and they are on their own? It can be done, but it's not the experience I'd ideally like. Electric curtains or blinds could fix that, but it's not straightforwards. If I can light it up well, that's what I'd like to try.takes me a total of around 5 seconds, you could of course leave them fully drawn, only opening them when you actually need more light
i'd recommend a backing material for ANY AT screen unless it comes with the material - this would go between your speakers and your screen, as close to the screen as possible. I dont think the XD does if that what you've gone for,Ah, I didn't realise you meant the screen, I thought you meant the MVEL on the walls. I don't know what UF stands for (I've not got the Seymour UF).
You can have it looking 'nice' by doing it the same way the pro installers complete projects with fabric panels in neutral shades and plenty of down lighting plus highlight/feature LED strips between panels etc.Because ideally I want to walk into a room with it looking nice, settle down with everyone, press play and switch the lights off and away we go, rather than having to get up and walk around closing curtains.
Electric curtains would be an option, but I don't think I could get that to work in my room. Electric roller blinds would be better if achievable.
Mmm, well that's not really want I want to hear, but thank you.You can have it looking 'nice' by doing it the same way the pro installers complete projects with fabric panels in neutral shades and plenty of down lighting plus highlight/feature LED strips between panels etc.
However, if you are aiming to have it dark to the extent @mb3195 has his then realistically it is going to need movable side curtains to cover a lighter more aesthetically pleasing side wall finish. This allows poster art and acoustic panels or whatever you fancy in lighter shades to add a bit of colour plus reflect some light to actually see with!
If you try throwing enough light at a completely dark fabric room to see anything clearly then it starts to look awful as every little imperfection, rough edge and differences in material stands out a mile.
My friend with all mvel room uses high power forehead led torch to navigate and operate the roomMmm, well that's not really want I want to hear, but thank you.
I'll let you know how I get on
as do i, I'll thank @steelman1991 for that ideaMy friend
My friend with all mvel room uses high power forehead led torch to navigate and operate the room
You've got a weird friend.My friend
My friend with all mvel room uses high power forehead led torch to navigate and operate the room
Er, I'd like to retract my earlier comment please. Totally normal thing to do, I plan on doing the sameas do i, I'll thank @steelman1991 for that idea
I like them.What are people's views on star ceilings?
I haven't seen them, but like you I'd be concerned the fibre optics catch reflections. If no one replies on this thread, maybe start a new thread 'star ceiling' in the DIY section, to catch people's attention.In terms of this thread's title.
No it's probably not, but I see no reason why you couldn't use MVEL (or maybe give it to the company to use, if not DIYing).Granted the fabric of the star ceiling would be "black", but if you're covering your screen wall and the in field of view side walls in Devore or MVL22, my guess is the black ceiling won't look that black anymore in comparison. And I wonder if you'd get distracting light bounce off the ceiling from the star ceiling, which may negate the efforts made on the walls. Note: the stars would be off during a movie. I've not looked into what material they use but I imagine it's not MVL22 or similar.