pandemic said:Big loss for the Labour party, also UK politics in general regardless of party. For some time now I've thought the only 2 strong MPs that should lead their respective parties are David Miliband for Labour and William Hague for the Conservatives. Just my opinion before anyone decides to disagree .
Anyway this is sad news.
pandemic said:^^ Yes in 2001 up against Blair with that huge majority from '97 he had no chance. Anyway just because someone been leader of a party once doesn't mean they shouldn't return under the right circumstances. It used to be normal for party leaders who lost the leadership to stay on (up until the 70's), which doesn't happen anymore.
That's no excuse he should have tried harder. Anyway UKIP will probably ring the changes now. Its good that we have someone to upset the status quo and bring about a change in the current system. Its been far too balanced towards socialism and general wetness, its time it got a proper shaking up.
la gran siete said:what socialism????That pretty much went out of the window back in the 80s
It never went away, just the overt parts disappeared. It probably needs an entirely new word for what currently exists. An expanded state, expanded welfare, greater centralisation, stronger workers rights. Higher tax, more wealth distribution. Public/private partnerships and the swell of crony capitalism that relies on the state for its contracts. Its not a socialist democracy because that demands greater decentralisation, but we have been taken towards the brink of full EU union which is more like Stalinist socialism. Its certainly a million miles away from libertarian or true liberal. I suppose that nothing can truly be labeled and its evolving anyway. What would you call it ?
la gran siete said:all we are left with today are mere vestiges of a once great political dogma.Of course its not libertarianism but then who the heck wants thatI am strongly in favour of strong worker rights but they, incidentally, have been severely harmed in the 80s
You must try harder - I'm sure you could have come up with a longer list of labour politicians you disapprove of, if only you applied yourself.I hope we have. Another MP doing a Blair and boosting his profile at the expense of his electorate. How can you be an MP and not spend any time in the Commons ? Oh yes Gordon Brown. Enuff said.