Data Protection Act

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  1. eFGee

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    Is it just me, or does the way companies implement the Data Protection Act drive everyone else up the wall too.

    Every officious company you ring nowadays insists on a combination of name, address, post code, telephone number, dob, mothers maiden name, password etc before they'll talk to you.

    That's fine on sensative and confidential issues but on enquiring why the sky engineer hasn't rung before 9.00 as stated? And there's been numerous, numerous (NUMEROUS) other ridiculous instances.

    These companies just drive me mad.

    Edit: Oh, and when Sky tell you they're going to be there between 2.00 and 5.00, don't you just know they're not going to turn up.

    Second edit: I take it all back, they did turn up. Now can anyone tell me how Anytime comes on / works? Doh.
     
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    I had the same thing with Sky yesterday...got through to broadband instead of HD dept.....the guy asked me all those questions before transferring me to the HD dept who went through it all again!
     
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    What drives me nuts is that companies will never speak to my wife without first asking me to say it is ok every time. Obvisously I realise they have to do that the first time to make sure she is genuinely my wife, but after that she should be able to ring them whenever she needs to. But no, they constantly tell her they can't speak to her, even when she's not asking for any information as such.

    Since most companies only work office hours I find this a right pain in the **se!
     
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    It's not to do with the data protection act, it's so they can look you up on their CRM system.

    Otherwise how would they know anything about your case?
     
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    I'm quite tempted sometimes when I speak to those people to say that I am Mrs Squiffy (as obviously I know her DOB, maiden name, mothers maiden name, etc).

    I wonder if they would do?

    On the flip side now, if a company rings me I ask them to prove who they are before I will reveal any details.
     
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    ..Just what I was about to suggest - we should demand all their particulars before agreeing to speak with them!! Actually I'm tempted to play them a nice recorded message first warning I'm recording the conversation 'for training purposes.'!! :)
     
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    Reminds me of when I phoned NTL to cancel my contract as I was moving house. Phoned - gave person all personal details, said I wanted to cancel - so I got transferred to person #2 - he asked for all my details then said I had to talk to someone else, got tranferred, asked for all my details 'oh, you want to cancel - that's another department' so I got transferred *again* (this is now 40 minutes into the call). The fourth guy sounded promising, then he asked for my new address - I said 'is that for my final bill' and he said 'no, if you're moving to another area that has NTL, you'll need to be transferred to another department'. I lost it at this point and said either he could cancel my contract or I would just hang up and cancel the direct-debit. That finally got it sorted.
     
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    from my uni days spend in call centres I can guarantee that it really is the law that they have to ask all the questions before proceeding even for the simplest of questions.

    at the end of the day, ask yourself this question, would you risk a £5000 fine (thats for the telephone agent not the company) to save this person you have never met on the other end of the phone 30-60 seconds of their time?
     
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    When you call O2 customer services they ask you to key in your mobile phone number, after navigating the first 50 menu options. Then, when a human comes on the line the first thing they ask you is your mobile phone number.
     
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    Which law would require that for the example originally quoted, enquiring why a Sky engineer hasn't rung when he should have? Last time I was involved with the DPA it only related to personal data.
     
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    to you that might be something that doesn't constitute a breach of the data protection, however, anything to do with the account can be seen as personal data, it is all down to the customer.

    To quote a case that occured at my workplace. Woman booked an engineer to come round and fix her phoneline. Guys rings up tells a colleague that he is her husband and wants to know when the engineer is coming round. My colleague dutifily agreed, what harm could it do? Turns out the guy was her ex-husband and had been wanting to know when he could go round and find her there, beat seven shades out of her. My colleague was my colleague no longer and got a hefty fine to boot after the woman made a complaint.

    Besides, where do you draw the line anyway? Why take the risk of a £5000 by going through every piece of data and labelling it as safe to speak about or not?
     
  12. eFGee

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    Fine in theory.

    But impossible in practise.
     
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    having worked in a call centre myself i can say the Data Protection act also works both ways......sounds daft but they are not really that worried about protecting you (other than their legal requirements to), they are more worried about other companies trying to poach their business......you'd be surprised what goes on in some contact centres that isnt approved by management but isnt exactly stopped...lol...(no, i never did anything dodgy, i was one of three in my contact centre who was morally decent, much to the annoyance of our managers :D)

    as for asking them details when they phone you....you should do.....you should always make sure who is phoning you is who they say they are.....heres the problem though, they shouldnt give you information first because they dont know that their customer has answered the phone, you could be someone else who lives in the house or in the case of a mobile it could have just been stolen etc.........hence why when Egg once phoned me up saying there was a problem on my account and it needed sorting, i said ok, she then said first she needs to confirm who i am (makes sense in one respect but...) and asked me to provide my DOB....to which i said 'uh, can you prove you are from egg first by giving me my full address and password? she said no, she couldnt do that as i might not be Mr etc, so i came back well then how can i trust you? she said not to worry she is from egg and this needs sorting.....so i said i'd go online and check my details and sort it out there...she persevered for a moment at which point i said quite clearly that my Egg account is an online one, therefore i will deal with it online....

    turned out there was a problem so she most likely was genuine......but why on earth would i trust someone phoning ME up?......bit like believing that nice Mr Ombowale that his nephew will indeed be a boon to my household and the £1.2m in his trust fund will indeed mature in to my bank account eventually if i look after him :/
     
  14. eFGee

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    I DON'T FRIGGING CARE. IT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE NANNY STATE GONE MAD!!!!
     
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    so you wouldnt have a problem with someone you once had an arguement with coming round to beat seven shades out of you having learned you'll definitely be in as the sky mans coming round?

    its a few questions......heavens...a whole 10-20 seconds of your life.......let me guess, when you see someone looking like they might cross the road up ahead you speed up to make sure you get past them before they slow you down by 5mph?
     
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    mate, you obviously do care otherwise you wouldn't have posted in the first place.

    in an ideal world everyone would be trustworthy and there would not be a problem and thus no need for data protection. however, if it was an ideal world there would be no war and no disease. sounds great.
     
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    There is a definition of personal data as defined in the DPA, and it has nothing to do with the opinions of customers. It's very difficult to see how any such defined personal data can be exchanged in the example given by the OP. I believe that most companies take an over cautious approach despite the fact that customers get annoyed by it.
     
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    One of my elderley neighbours was rushed into hospital the other day. They kept her in overnight to run some diagnostics tests.

    The following day her husband rang the hospital to enquire if the tests had diagnosed the problem.

    The reply he got .... "Sorry but because of the Data Protection Act we can't tell you. You will have to come in so that we can verify that you are her husband".
     
  19. almightygoodgod

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    that sounds bad because you know the guy IS her husband. now imagine you are the nurse, how do you know the guy is her husband?
     
  20. eFGee

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    As opposed to this brute wasting their very valuable time waiting for you to turn up before doling out the hiding so richly deserved? How about them waiting until "going to work" time. Or how about "returning from work" time? Do you think they'll catch you in then?

    This is just utter rubbish and you've been sucked into a mindset of nanny state knows best.

    If you're going to get beaten up, you are going to get beaten up. If somebody wants you that much, they WILL find a way (bearing in mind they apparently know enough to ring Sky pretending to be you in the first place)

    And it may only be a few questions but its by every officious company.

    About every subject matter, no matter how trivial.

    And if it so crucial, why don't all other companies do it before speaking to you on the phone? And do you really think before it's introduction, the majority of us were lying on street corners with black eyes after the brute had caught us because Sky had told them where we were?

    But hey, if it doesn't bother you, then I'm pleased for you.

    BTW What has you little driving scenario got to do with officiousness?
     
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    What does it matter if it isn't? Lets say its her brother. Or her son. Or her friend. Or her best friends son who's ringing for his mum who hasn't got a phone? Or just somebody who who knew her as that nice lady at the bus stop. So what? Why shouldn't any of those be told how she is? And why would anybody who doesn't know her ring in the first place or care about her health.

    Parania gone mad.
     
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    Same with British Gas. But your account number in and then a voice on the phone asks you for it again..

    *** - :devil:

    Dal
     
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    well someone's employer might want to know the health status of an employee, and if that person was on a fixed term contract, or due a pay rise for example, depending on the reply, it could have bad consequences on the person. if the people you mention were so concerned about someones health, surely they would want to visit them, particularly if they were family members (ie. the people most likely to be concerned or call up)

    or someone could know the person lives alone, and wants to know how long they are going to be kept in, so they could burgle the house in peace

    someone could have aids, cancer or some other disease or illness that they don't want people to know about. the state of someones health can be a very personal topic at times

    there are a large number of reasons why hospitals and doctors should be careful what information is passed on, and to whom

    the data protection act is there to protect people. and as pointed out in other posts, it's not just to protect the individual who's data is held, but to protect those who are responsible for looking after the data

    partly the reason why you have to give data over when calling is because operators have to key in that data to gain access to records at times, to prevent staff from snooping on peoples private records. there have been a number of cases in the past where staff have been fired from banks or mobile phone companies for looking into peoples private details, such as finding out how much money famous people have, or the telephone numbers they've been ringing. by requiring data to be keyed in at the intial stage it helps prevent all that.
     
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    So they request the husband attends the hospital, leaving the house empty :rolleyes:
     
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    They must send their staff on the same Advanced Time Wasting courses :)
     
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    I think you have hit the nail on the head there mate.

    The fact is, what one person deems as personal information the next person may not deem as personal information. The point is, it is not up to the person on the other end of a phone to make that decision, how can it be?
     
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    it might come as a shock to you, but millions of people leave thier houses empty for a period of time every single day

    however i'm sure if a husbands wife was in hospital he would want to go there to see his wife, and not worry about leaving the house empty (thats if they didn't have kids, or took the kids with him) for a couple of hours to have a hospital visit

    a very different situation from someone living alone and leaving the house empty for days/weeks. each individual situation is different, however the same rules should apply for all, without discrimination or favoritism. the staff at the hospital can't be expected to analyse each case and treat it differently depending on how they viewed things, and give information over the phone to someone they have no idea who they are talking to, without even knowing if the patient is happy for that information to be released. the patient can ask someone to call a friend or relative (if they can't do it themselves) to pass on any information. if they aren't physically able to do so (ie. unconscious), then who is to say what information should be passed to whom over the telephone?
     
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    Thanks for explaining that point, whilst skillfully avoiding the need for sarcasm. Now you mention it, I have heard of this before.

    Actually I was simply highlighting the irony of the situation.
     
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    If that's the "download all the programmes you want" thing then all I can say is.... DON'T EVER INSTALL IT ON YOUR PC!!!! Using it on a Sky+ HD box is okay though....

    Well, that may be a bit harsh but it uses a 3rd party computer program that means other people may be downloading content from your computer. It workds like this...
    (1) You install Sky Anytime - a windows program now runs continuously in the background connected to their server
    (2) You download the latest episode of Lost
    (3) The background program tells the Sky Anytime server you have it on your PC
    (4) Somebody else in the country wants to download the latest episode of Lost so the Sky Anytime server directs their connection to your PC to get it from.

    Obviously this type of P2P sharing is generally secure however because your downloaded files are being transferred whenever Sky Anytime wants them it affects (a) your internet connection speed and (b) counts towards any limit you have on your broadband contract.

    My last gripe with it is that when you uninstall it it does not get rid of the files you've downloaded nor does it get rid of that background program.

    All in all a very dodgy practice if you ask me.

    Of course these are all problems that I had with it...

    Cheers,
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    quite simple, your main gripe seems to be that it wastes your time, yet we are not talking about the 20 minutes you spend waiting to talk to them, but the 10-20 seconds it takes for a couple of security questions to be answered......if you worry this much about people taking up 10-20 seconds of your day then its the same as people who speed up when driving because they see a pedestrian hovering near the side of the road looking like they might be trying to cross......heaven forbid they actually start crossing while you are coming along, they might slow you down and your journey will take a whole 5 seconds longer.....

    see the link now?

    try worrying more about the important officious pointlesness that goes on in the world that costs you more money etc than someone asking a few questions just to give you a bit more security.....
     

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