DALI Katch portable Bluetooth Speaker Review & Comments

Discussion in 'Headphones, Earphones & Portable Music' started by Phil Hinton, Dec 27, 2018.


    1. Ed Selley

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      I don’t understand why you have not mentioned AAC codec in this review?


      Obviously if you use any Apple iPhone or iPad via Bluetooth and there is no AAC codec supported then you are left with sh*t SBC codec, which is awful and unlistenable.
       
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      F56F56CA-A8CC-4C47-ACF6-DA14B3C7F9FC.jpeg So if it has no AAC then it should be 1 out of 10 if using with iPhone or iPad.
       
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      In honesty, Apple's Bluetooth implementation is so dreadful, I rarely test with it on any device, not just this one. If you are an iOS user, I'd avoid Bluetooth for anything other than hands free in the car. The 'right' codecs are the ones for which suitable hardware is readily available. If one company feels it doesn't want to participate, it isn't for the rest of the ecosystem to pander to it.
       
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      Apple AAC sounds as good as AptX, but not as good as AptX HD or LDAC. LDAC has allot of other issues currently. Since Apple are fighting with Quallcomm perhaps that is why they are not given the option of AptX. Who knows - why.

      It is what it is, but manufacturers and reviewers should be clear about the significance of codec synergy. There are plenty of AAC supported Speakers and Headphones and they are a much better choice for Apple consumers.
       
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      In terms of actual Bluetooth Implementation Apple writes own codecs that sit on top of AAC. This is where Implementation is about 2 years ahead of any other manufactuer. Hence the way Airpods connect with iPhone and so much of how Apple Watch works - about 2-3years ahead of any other manufacturer.

      Also Bluetooth 5.0 has no audio improvement over 4.0.
       
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      This is great and props to them but the underlying ideal of Bluetooth is that it is an open standard where your equipment, if correctly implemented, will play nice with everyone else's. If you choose to use it to strengthen your own ecosystem, that's perfectly fine but from the perspective of an relatively small audio manufacturer, why would you bother investing too much in this direction? If the bulk of users are happy with 'good enough' that's fine. If they suddenly want all the bells and whistles technically available to them, the answer will be provided by Apple and any effort they expend in this direction will be of negligible worth.
       
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      It comes down to cost. Dali has made a decision to pay the AptX Bluetooth fees to Quallcom, but did not want to pay for AAC. Most good quality Bluetooth devices such as £300+ headphones will almost certainly have AAC and AptX.

      Not blaming DALI, because they want to maximise profit. However too bad for iPhone or iPad users who buy this Speaker. Bad choice.

      Ofcourse iPhone/iPad consumer base is gigantic.
       
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      Wouldn't mind trying out one of these as I generally love Dali products, but around £300 is just too much. I really enjoy the sound out of my Denon Envaya which also offers Bluetooth and the USB power/aux in capabilities for a Chromecast. You can pick one up for around £100 now.
       
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      IMO, the thing is that 98% of perceived sound is speaker as such. AAC or even LDAC would not make this one 10X better speaker the same way like it does not make those sub 100€ with LDAC better than this.
      Then, there's always a question how many people would notice the difference between SBC and LDAC on a portable speaker while majority can't hear the difference on proper hifi equipment. And how many of them actually care or are willing to pay for it.
       
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      Understanding Bluetooth Codecs

      Not sure what Soundizer is complaining about - did you buy the Dali Katch for an iPhone without checking what it supported first? Always a risk with I-things - there is a whole ecosystem devoted specifically to support i-things and their proprietary codecs, the Dali Katch is not one of them and the specs do not lie about this.

      Compared to Android the iOS base is not that large.
       
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      I love the Dali Katch but I ended up getting the Vifa Helsinki. It just the best in this range. Also listened to the Bose (only to give it a fair trial!) and the offerings from B&O, JBL and UE. Vifa all the way. I can't wait for their next iteration.
       
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      WhatHiFi said of the Vifa Helsinki:
      It won't beat the Dali Katch for detail retrieval any time soon, but there’s certainly enough there to make you take note.
       
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      I just tested mine from ipod with a 3.5mm cable and the volume in very low compared to bluetooth. Any ideas why this would be?
       
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      Low headphone output from the ipod - I have used the headphone out of my android phone and a ChromeCast Audio in to my Katch and all are more than loud enough. If you want to continue using the ipod with it you could try a headphone amp to boost the ipod output.
       

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