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current freeview picture on my panny

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by greyhorse, Jun 16, 2005.

  1. greyhorse

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    Some people dont rate the freeview picture or sky on the pv500.
    I cant find a thing wrong with it.

    [​IMG]

    :D

    Watching Brazil woop ass tonight was brill, great to watch a big screen without motion blurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
     
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    Mine too is ggggggreat.....

    Still very happy with my luvvly telly... :smashin:
     
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    i cant believe you still have the stickers on :rotfl:
     
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    i left the sticker on too
     
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    I've seen the freeview pic side by side with the 50 in shop@panny and the cheaper model was better IMO. The 500 wasn't bad, just not as good as the 50.
     
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    who's that lovely lady on the screen :D
     
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    :eek: :spam: :rotfl: :rotfl:

    quite a few people our starting to say this now.
     
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    my sticker is staying on, its a consolation for the sucky SD freeview picture I am looking at.
     
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    where there's smoke there's fire...view the 2 side by side and you can see for yourself. Better contrast and less scaling to native res is what's the difference in favour of the 50. Jpegs on websites are a bit misleading, you need to view the two side by side to draw the comparative difference.
     
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    christ at this rate i might aswell stick with my SONY CRT lol,low res better than a HD 2.5k screen and now flyingbig has noticed this contrast "feature" on the panel aswell :( its gonna be a rough rough ride for my retailer tomorrow i know that lol.shame i dont think they can get a pe50 side by side BUT they do have a pe50 instock so i could do a quick viewing i guess darting in between pics lmao.
     
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    I suppose, if I hadn't seen them together, I would ahve been impressed enough with the 500.
    [And I'm not jumping on the bandwagon with the "diss-the-500", I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago and it's all IMO anyway.] :)
     
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    thats your bird isnt it ??? :rotfl:
     
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    Left the stickers on in case it goes wrong and can send it back to JL in the condition it arrived !!!!
     
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    Put your Pc monitor 800 x 600 screen res, play I dvd on it.
    Now set your screen to 1024 x 768 and play a dvd on it.

    If your eyes are a good as eko blind star then get a Pe50, otherwise enjoy the high res. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

    The pe50 is a good set for the money and blows the hitach out of the water. Also gives the pioneer a good run. Just not as good as the PV500. Thats not a fault, Im actually looking at buying a pe50 37" for my bedroom. :D
     
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    Do you actually know that 1024x 768 is not what SD Freeview is broadcast at ? What on earth does setting your monitor at that res to play a DVD on your PC have on what the PE50 displays SD Freeview ? Talk about irrelevant :rolleyes:

    I think if you've parted with the cash already this must be a case of your wallet affecting eyesight or just blind-ego :rotfl:
     
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    we are talking detail in the image regardless of freeview, the pv500 shows better detail, some who dont have the option to see two screens can try the simple test using a pc screen. Helps to show that higher res give a better image.

    If they didnt why doesnt every one just buy low res screens, whats the point in a high res screen ???

    If low res is the same ???
     
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    crap in crap out,

    you dont feed your 1280x1024 lcd with 800x600 cos it has to scale it, it would look better on an 800x600 screen. if you have the option to show 1280x1024 on it, then do, but 800x600 will look better at native res.

    take 1280x1024 as hd, 800x600 as sd, sd will look better on sd screen, at native res, scaling wont make it look better, maybe nearly as good, unless you buy an amazing external scalar.
     
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    Nicely summised Chedmaster :)

    We are talking closer to native res and thus better scaling on SD Freeview for the PE50. Just the same as HD material will be better on the native res of the PV500.
     
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    So low res feed/image on a low/res screen doesnt show the faults as much as high res screen, doesnt make it better !!!! just doesnt show the faults.
     
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    no your missing the point. 1:1 pixel mapping is the aim, otherwise the screen has to make up pixels that arent there, at varying qualitys between scalars/sets. The faults are emphasised by the pv500, as are the quality bits, just like amplifying a noisey analogue signal, you amplify the noise as well. The better the scalar, the closer it will come to 1:1 pixel mapping quality. When HD surfaces, no doubt the pv500 will be better than pe50, as the pv500 would then be closer to native res. However it will still need to make up pixels as it has 48 too many in vertical, and it will have to scale down 1280 > 1024 in horizontal. When HD is mainstream there will no doubt be displays that are 1280 x 720 native, once again everything settled down with 1:1 pixel mapping (dont even get me started on 1920x1080!!!).
     
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    What *faults* are you on about ? There are none so to speak. We are talking native res of the panels and the scaling being undertaken to display them on the relative screens.

    You seem to think that Hi-Res is all that goes into making a good picture ? To put it very simply the SD screen has less to digitally scale than a HD screen on SD Freeview. Shocking as it may sound to you this does result in a better picture, obviously visibly more to some than others.

    Conversely if Freeview was broadcast HD it would be better suited to the HD panel, not simply because of the resolution of pixels being offered but also because the panel is having less to scale.

    Square pegs rounds holes...broadcast definition into display panel res....sometimes they don't fit exactly and you have to get as many in as you can as best as you can..this is all down to the level of scaling being undertaken.
     
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    Quote by greyhorse of the shire :devil:
    The pe50 is a good set for the money and blows the hitach out of the water :boring: . Also gives the pioneer a good run . :rolleyes:

    Er no it doesn't stop talking twaddle : :nono: lesson: ,the pioneer ,hitachi 7200 ,and the new pana are now all basically at the same level .

    I looked at the the above screens and thought they all looked crap with freeview in the shop but they all had an excellent pic with my dvd player ,but the pana ,pio, didnt justify and extra cash ,plus the pio has excellent styling as does the hit but i didn,t like the pana especially the cheesy stand . :devil:
     
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    Greyhorse, I cannot wait until your wife has the baby then hopefully you will find a new baby forum and bang on about that hour after hour.



    WE GET IT!! YOU LIKE YOUR NEW TELLY
     
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    I'm sorry to dissapoint people but the pe50 doesn't display SD as its native resolution without scaling only with a NTSC/525 (480 active line) input, the VGA panel only displays 480 lines, with a PAL/625 (576 active line) source the pe50 will have to scale down the input vertically! this may explain why the pe50 gives the impression of being better than the pv500 because the pv500 uses all 576 lines and scales up to 768 lines (expanding MPEG artifacts) whereas the pe50 scales down to 480 (compressing MPEG artifacts)... just an thought :rolleyes:
     
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    thats not the point - less scaling
     
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    Sorry to dissapoint you but where does anyone say it displays SD at it's native resolution without scaling ??? :rolleyes:

    If you read carefully the point is the panels scale the signal to display at the native res of the panel... not the res of the broadcast. A Freeview SD broadcast, PAL 576, would be downscaled on an SD panel and upscaled on a HD one. You work out or demo which looks better as the end result :rolleyes:
     
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    lol yes i was about to ask this - stretching a dvd picture in this way can only add noise the computer has to up scale the image

    but who cares :)

    only 2 weeks till i get my PV500
     
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    The PV500 is still obviously a mighty fine screen of that there is no doubt :thumbsup:

    Bet you can't wait for those 2 weeks ! :)
     
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    I guess thats what i was trying to say :rolleyes: SD freeview would be downscaled on an SD panel and upscaled on an HD panel.... and true actually seeing it for yourself would be the "real" test. Though theory would suggest the HD panel should be better by maintaining all the input vertical detail without loosing anything like the SD panel would. proof in the pudding is in the eye! i've got a pv500 and so far been very happy with it, its also been my first plasma too :D
     
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    Yes theory and practice are two different things. In practice I have found the scalers in these kinds of devices are far better at downscaling than at upscaling.
     

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