Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by David PluggedIn, Jan 28, 2005.
David, what makes this machine worth 50%+ than the obvious competitors?
that impossible value type question
As always i guess it is up to anyone looking to purchase a scaler to decide at what performance, features, connections, expansion potential level etc etc that they require, and make a value judgement based on what it costs to get those features. Its not easy though as there are many makes and models to choose from, and a wide range of price points. We have always said we like Crystalio, but then people would expect us to
Not really, if you're selling something then while I wouldn't expect you to rubbish the competition, and of course you'd lose many Brownie points for doing so , I would expect you to highlight what your product excels at.
I'm not a salesman, but I was taught that someone selling something needs to identify the USP .. Unique Selling Point, aka. Unique Sales Proposition .. of the item he's selling.
I was wondering what the Crystalio's USP was.
Gordon for example never puts down other products but still manages to suggest why those he distributes are superior.
But maybe I'm being unfair.
well it has quite a few 'uniques' - but the most important point for most people is the picture quality , it is fantastic..but of course (and really this is the point I was making earlier) that if we say it, then people naturally take it with a pinch of salt, so thats why we dont bother - instead we are happy just to let the word slowly spread
The crystalio is more expensive than the two main rivals that alot of people talk about and use on here, is it worth the extra money? that is very difficult to say.
The other products are superb, so you could ask whether the iscan hd+with SDI or the Lumagen is £1000 worse? Definitely not.
It also has a few other extras like 3 sdi, you can send one output to a projector at 1280x720 and a second to your plasma at 1024x768, someone may think that is worth the extra money alone.
The crystalio image really is somethig rather special, simple as that. If you get chance to see one do.
I would be happy with any of them in my system.
A £1000 difference - do you guys know something I don't?
Crystalio currently at PluggedIn.Tv: -
£2113.82 (incl. VAT)
Lumagen Vision ProHDP currently at IvoJo:-
I was thinking more of the HDP and the HD+.
Ah I see - I think you'll find at that performance level most people decide between the Crystalio and ProHDP.
Yeah but the ProHDP is just a nicer looking HDP really, in terms of PQ there's little if no difference between the HDP and ProHDP. And the HDP can be got for £1000 (or not much more), then there's quite a difference!
The Pro had built-in SDI surely, thus making it a real comparison with the Crystalio, something you pay several hundred pounds to add to the non-Pro .. now, if the Crystalio accepted 'i' via HDMI and came in a version without SDI ..
I'm sure there's a few people who might disagree with that statement.
Really, what does the ProHDP have that the HDP doesn't? I thought the innards were the same but the ProHDP had a nicer case and BNC connectors for all inputs?
Well it's perfectly possible to get a HDP with the SDI inputs and BNC outputs for not much more than £1K, I should know I've had 2!
Andy...seeing as you have had both for a period of time, and now none, perhaps you could tell us what you both liked and disliked about each and what lifes like without either...I have had my ProHDP for a couple of months now and have forgotton what the Crystalio was like that I had on loan...plus I was using them on different display devices...you used both on the same deivice I think.
Anyway...would make for interesting reading if you've got the time.
According to the comments from Jim at Lumagen in the mega-thread on AVS there's minimal difference between them, brought about by aspects such as the PSU, connector wiring etc., they have identical processing capabilities. His comments also indicate I think fairly clearly that most of the minimal differences will be seen using analog signals.
Well in that case the HDP sounds like a bargain then! I guess people buy the ProdHDP for much the same reasons people buy a Crystalio.
i know that the whole idea here is a better picture but all these units look cheap and nasty compared to the cinemaq units.
That's why i have asked the question about are they any good(Cinemaq that is)
I wouldn't say cheap & nasty. My Lumagen looks quite solid & good qaulity materials have been used. I will conceed it may not look particularly pretty but it's not visible in my set up so that doesn't count for much with me.
Don't be fooled by the Lumagen VisionDVI and VisionHDP 'look' - its a very rugged chassis; you certainly wont want to drop it on your toe and internally they are very well put together.
Cinemateq and DVDO have '(I feel) a better handle on consumer friendliness or 'appeal' with cleaner lines and more 'style' to the chassis they use.
Lumagen (like Cyrstallio, Faroudja and others) know that historically most of these units live in 19" racks behind closed doors and are rarely 'seen'; though this is not the norm in the UK where sleeker chassis are often a plus point.
The one big 'problem' with designing and manufacturing sleek chassis with lots of design flair is it all costs money - so sleek chassis with good processing or Black Box with better processing for the same money!!!
PS I see your 'local' - not a problem to let you 'see' some of this kit whenever its convenient!
Thanks Joe i will get back to you
I suppose your right about us having different needs when it comes to the look of equipement
Now i understand why, so simple when you know
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I almost bought one, but decided it was not going to be too much of an upgrade against my HoloI. Yes maybe a bit more depth etc, but those are just very small improvements for a lot of money. Now is that the trouble with high-end gear but with the Gennum and especially the Realta chip knocking on the door .... Making proper 3:2 pulldown on 1080i possible. Now that's what I call an improvement !
You already see that Faroudja is feeling the heat in releasing their DVP1080 on CES.
Just incredible that it took just 4-5 years after the DVP5000 to market a deinterlacer that can handle 3:2 pulldown on 1080i Not for Faroudja because they could with their FLI2300 (in the specs!) but they rather sell the same chip twice .....
Hi Robbo: I've seen realta trying to do "proper" 2:3 on 1080i....I wouldn't get too excited yet, The HD Leeza has been doing 2:3 on 1080i for last two years....I agree excitng times ahead though!
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