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Creative wins MP3 player patent

Discussion in 'Headphones, Earphones & Portable Music' started by rigger123, Aug 30, 2005.

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    So, first Microsoft score a hit over Apple on the DAP front, now it's publicly acknowledged that Creative got there first in another respect. Not that either victory will keep Mr Jobs awake at night ...
     
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    Yes, but crucially it may persuade Creative to remain in the MP3 manufacturer game to provide some more competition for Apple and Sony.

    Plus they get to ca$h in on the millions of iPods shipped in retrospective patent rights. :thumbsup:
     
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    Too true. Would love to see Creative produce the near-perfect DAP. With all their experience in digital audio, it should be a piece of p*ss for them - yet they insist on chasing Apple's tail. Just get on and do what you know can be done!!! Same goes for Sony and Rio ...
     
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    awaiting multiple lawsuits....:rolleyes:
     
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    There'll probably be a countersuit. So many players use the heirachical system that it'll be hard to enforce. And it is also a little odd that Creative should make a big deal of this after they effectively aped the iPod's touch control systems (not as well) in a way that circumvents the patent. Why not win the case, then on the back of that come out with something that works better than a touchstrip? Not knocking Creative but the timing is odd.
     
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    I saw another link on that page to this article, saying that Sony wants to create an "iTunes for movies."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4396481.stm

    Heck, SOny can't even come up with an iTunes for MUSIC!!!! SonicStage still really bites. :rolleyes:
     
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    I've always thought this is a stupid idea. Watching a film on a boring long haul flight once or twice a year, fair enough - but that's a very limited market. Who wants to watch a film on a 5" screen on a day-to-day basis.

    Just how scary is a horror film going to be on a bus, in the light, on something the size of a small postcard?

    How free are you going to feel to laugh at a comedy?

    How much are widescreen epics and spectacular action films going to lose?

    Can you even begin to imagine someone sat on a bus at 8:15am 'enjoying' porn?

    Steve W
     
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    Oh come on now Steve surely porn can be "enjoyed" at any time of the day :smashin:
     
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    You have clearly never shared public transport with someone reading a Bill Bryson book then. I cried laughing when I read some of his stuff, I was at home at the time, but I could just of easily been on a bus.
     
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    I don't get it, can someone explain what that article means, sorry for my ignorance.
    So...Creative have the right to have a menu that displayes artists then albums then tracks so that anyone who wants to display like that has to pay crative? Arn't nearly all players displayed like that?
     
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    Sounds like you understand to me.
     
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    It makes me laugh these days, what you can patent/succesfully bring into court.
    This menu structure is surely an extension of the Windows file/folder structure, which is in turn an extension of a physical library containing books/shelves/aisles. I don't see my local librarian trying to sue Creative for stealing his idea of how to file things.
     
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    Let's not forget that Apple 'borrowed' their iPod GUI from the early Creative players ... but then who doesn't borrow in the tech world?
     
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    Yeah...maybe the patent office ppl were unaware/ignorant

    Would Creative have filed it if MP3 player market isn't what it is today, which is down to Apple?

    That Creative bleat on about the Nomad etc with regard to the patent I find funny.

    Well they do need the money - to claw back the losses in MP3 dep. They do make nice PC soundcards though. I'll give them that
     
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    I disagree with you on the viability of a small screen. I have a small 5" ws DVD player (Panny DVD-LS5, about the size of a square cd player) and the picture is phenomenal, much sharper than almost every 7" screen I've seen. And I have had several long train/bus rides, and get completely absorbed into the movie (with headphones). Watched Pi on a nighttime busride and was creeped out. The 'smallness' of the screen disappears evry time I watch it.

    I also watched part of Spiderman on the PSP and it was also very engrossing. If there was an easy way to transfer DVDs to play on a PSP then I'd own one now. (Although the Panny has very long-lived, inexpensive spare batteries.)
     
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    Serious? Thats rediculous, how are you able to patent a way of viewing something so simple? Isn't that like patenting the way you use toilet paper? Its more like common sense than an invention by someone.
    I understand patenting things like the click wheel and stuff because they are truely inventions, but come on, this is just the simplest way of viewing something, nothing that needs much intelligence.
     
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    Not so rIdiculous. There's more to patent law than 'common sense' and the devil is indeed in the details. There have been some bogus 'business method' patents issued here in the US that are being knocked down when challenged.

    This patent (US 6,928,433 ) deals with a specific 3-level selction structure and method for selecting files. The details of the invention make it a more specific application of more general, public-use folder hierarchy systems. As such, it is indeed patentable.

    I continue to be amazed at how many people confidently state whether an invention is patentable or not without knowing the first thing about patent law.... :rolleyes:
     
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    What would a countersuit allege, exactly? At best all I see are some affirmative defenses that could possibly be raised. But the patent claims are pretty specific, claiming 3-level hierarchical menu selections for portable media devices. Or do you mean countersuits against Creative on unrelated patents?

    And if Creative 'aped' the iPod in a way that avoids their patent, then there is no basis for a suit there, of course.
     
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    before anyone starts to shoot Creative for even attempting to patent such a thing, let's not forget apple tried to patent the same thing too, albeit a little too late. ;)
     
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    Thank you, drmoze, for stating what I'd assumed was obvious ...
     

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