Does anyone have any experience of either of these players? They form my short list, based on reviews, and the fact that they're both Mac friendly (absolutely essential for me). I've chosen them over the iPod because they appear to offer quite a lot more for the money, the Cowon for example has a 35 hour battery life, lots of formats, line-in recording, and 30gb for around £245. The only minus that I've read about, is that it can't search by genre etc. I've never owned a digital player before, so I don't know how important this is. The Archos has a 17 hour battery life, 20gb, on the fly editing, and all for around £142. A seperate battery pack can be bought for about £11, increasing battery life by around 70%. I'm not a fan of iPod design, they remind me too much of blood glucose monitoring devices (I'm diabetic, and probably a little over-sensitive!). But friends who have them complain constantly about poor battery performance. I don't want a player for looks anyway, nor for video capabilities...just sound, capacity and battery performance. I'd be grateful for any advice.