Council build disabled ramp.

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  1. phillyd1981

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    Even an idiot would put a stop to it when they see the first ramp being installed, surely?
     
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    in what sense ?

    Resident wants a ramp, council consult regs and builds ramp. What would have happened if the council had bunged up a 2 or 3 sloper and there had been an accident. Councils house, Councils rules. She can install a bodge job in her own property
     
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    The thing is it's all to do with health and safety, they specify a certain gradient and you can't go above that, the council just had to stick to the rules in place, it's just that the property has a steep garden, there is no other way unfortunately.

    Personally she should be grateful for it, the house is subsidised being a council house and they install a solution for the wheelchair, yes it's any eyesore but it's functional and as it's not her own property she shouldn't moan.
     
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    Could they not just build a lift?
     
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    I was at a clients house right opposite this yesterday. Client who lives opposite this said she has never even seen anyone use it since it was built!!

    It's ridiculous when u see it in person. Surely moving house for the individual would have made more sense and probably less cost!!

    Also despite this, no neighbors were consulted or advise about it. It just started to appear one day. No planning permission, consent etc etc. The person I was visiting has to look out at this every day now.
     
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    Pretty sure as its classed as a temporary structure then it doesn't need planning permission, when we had our disabled access done the first option was ramping like this and its just a modular design and gets bolted together.
     
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    Spot on with the gradient comment, official guidance states maximum 1:12 Preferred 1:20 meaning for every 1 metre above ground level, the ramp needs to be between 12 and 20 metres long, plus you also need to incorporate rest points due to the length.
     
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    Does a family of Daleks live there?
     
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    They should not have been given the house at the top of a hill in the first place...
     
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    I totally agree with Emprorer & Booyaka.

    She got what she asked for and going by the pictures I am sure it is better than what she had before, the council have given her what she asked for, I do not see the story here.

    However at £40k I think it would have made more sense to move her to a property where only a single ramp was required.

    Does it look attractive - No.
    Does it allow her better access to and from the house with her daughters wheelchair - Yes.
     
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    No, she been given something hideous and stupid, not what she asked for. A typical solution by engineers reading the rules, and no design input.

    It just shows, governments may change but if the civil servants involved don't, we get stupid solutions.

    Whilst the planning department may have followed the "rules", they, and the rest of that council in housing etc should be sacked.

    Bunch of muppets.
     
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    If next door is private good luck when it comes to selling.
     
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    That's my point - not just the house itself that doesn't want it, I can't imagine any of the neighbours are chuffed with it.
     
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    Lets just hope their wheelchair/mobility scooter can navigate those tight corners.
     
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    I'm in the 'don't see a story camp'.
    Credit where it's due though - it looks a very tidy job!
     
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    Last time I saw something like that I was queuing for a roller coaster...Rules are rules though..
     
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    I read she's been campaigning for 2 years to get something to help her out. Seems to me like some pencil-neck at the council had enough of her asking and though "Okay bitch, you want a ramp...I'll give you a fudgeing ramp!"
     
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    Tidy job :eek:
     
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    Completely agree. This is nonsense of the highest degree. Regardless of the Government of the day, when you have civil servant muppets working for councils, then we will still end up with results like this.

    If I had the house next door and was a private owner, I'd consider action against the council for affecting my chances to sell. That is an utter monstrosity.

    It does look a very quality job though.
     
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    I can't believe the attitude of 'well, it's a council house, so stuff her and her disabled child', well actually, sadly, I'm not entirely suprised.

    Anyone with even a modicum of common sense can see that this is not the solution to the problem. The council have acted in a moronic manner in this case, and will now have to deal with the torrent of complaints that they'll no doubt get from local residents that have to stare at this idiocy out of their window every day.

    Clowns.
     
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    It's cost £40,000 already and there's no doubt it will all be coming down soon.
    What a complete waste of time and money.
     
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    Seriously a tidy job? OMG well there you go, we shouldn't be surprised this happens if people honestly think this is good enough. What's next, a camper van will be a ford transit with some holes in the side and a mattress on the floor?
     
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    Does it come with a FastPass ticket machine :)
     
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    Please enlighten me, what is the solution?
     
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    Did you miss this bit?

    Suggests the family did not want to move to more appropriate housing having been given this one.
     
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    Granted where two play, two will be at fault. And a story is never black and white.

    However regardless of how it got to this state, you need to be a real muppet to give design approval to such an implementation to resolve whatever issues they had.
     
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    Anyone in the council office could have said to them "if you really want to stay in this house, this is what the proposed ramp would look like to meet health and safety regulations". They could then have made their choice. I doubt they would have chosen this.
     
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    Design approval would probably have been given as tenant had requested ramp, ramp had to be designed to fit within the boundaries of the property, due to the difference in level the length of the ramp was predetermined meaning the ramp was required to have turns and rest areas to fit in. Working within those constraints they could probably only approve, whether or not they should have come up with a better solution is a different matter. I am sure stair lifts/accessible lift may well have been an option, but probably not something the approvers would be required to suggest.
    My personal opinion is, yes, it looks pretty horrible, but as we don't know all the facts, who are we to judge. One of the main things I would like to know is, were they shown any plans etc of what the council intended to do?
     
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    If the council had put in only a couple of ramps and turns, therefore a lot steeper, you can assuredly expect to read about 'this is an accident waiting to happen' or 'my wheelchair bound daughter got smashed up as the ramp was too steep and I couldn't hold on' or similar.

    You'd have thought anyone who had spent 2 years campaigning to get a ramp installed would understand (or have had explained to them) the current regs over what would actually have been provided.

    There's no point saying it clearly isn't an elegant solution if it's the only solution available under current regs and I can't believe installing a lift would have been a cheaper alternative.

    So what would have been an alternative solution that fits current regs?

    Answers on a postcard!
     

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