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Coronavirus - do you trust the UK Government to make the right decisions ?

Coronavirus - do you trust the UK government to make the right decisions?

  • Yes

    Votes: 99 34.7%
  • No

    Votes: 186 65.3%

  • Total voters
    285

Nick74

Well-known Member
Who is this MP? I want them as PM!! :laugh:



They're all on one today. Even BFF Brewer has been kicking off :eek:
When you alienate people that normally scramble for your cause you know you're in trouble.

If Laura does a volte-face it's surely all over.
 

Cliff

Distinguished Member
Dominic Cummings has broken the guidelines, but why is the press/ phone-ins making this the biggest news story of the day?
* answer below..

Look, there are plenty of really serious stories, like why did our precious NHS dump old people into care homes, when they knew full well they could be infected. Even doctoring patient release docs to show they were negative. Many weren’t even tested!

Supplies of PPEs were not shared. The NHS took priority, depriving care homes, when in fact it had been agreed that care homes would assist in taking the pressure off NHS beds. How can they do this without PPEs?

The governments new testing at airport plan, and 2 week self isolation, is about 2 months too late! We have already had thousands of deaths and no effort was made to test in March or April. Pretty pointless now. Horse has bolted. The virus is here in the U.K. Many countries are safer than ours.

*Oh yes, why wall to wall D.C.- The press have an axe to grind because he tried to impart control and access to the PM.
 

realfrankturner

Well-known Member
Indeed. Where is Boris? It’s reputed that he doesn’t do weekends? Perhaps hiding in the fridge until this blows over?
He barely does weekdays at the moment really, either.

When's the next parliament questions?

That will be terrific fun
 

Sammyez

Well-known Member
Some people clutching at straws? But what about Scotland’s figures? What about others who broke the lockdown restrictions? All attempts at deflection.
 

realfrankturner

Well-known Member
Dominic Cummings has broken the guidelines, but why is the press/ phone-ins making this the biggest news story of the day?
* answer below..

Look, there are plenty of really serious stories, like why did our precious NHS dump old people into care homes, when they knew full well they could be infected. Even doctoring patient release docs to show they were negative. Many weren’t even tested!

Supplies of PPEs were not shared. The NHS took priority, depriving care homes, when in fact it had been agreed that care homes would assist in taking the pressure off NHS beds. How can they do this without PPEs?

The governments new testing at airport plan, and 2 week self isolation, is about 2 months too late! We have already had thousands of deaths and no effort was made to test in March or April. Pretty pointless now. Horse has bolted. The virus is here in the U.K. Many countries are safer than ours.

*Oh yes, why wall to wall D.C.- The press have an axe to grind because he tried to impart control and access to the PM.
So basically this government can't do much right at all.
 

realfrankturner

Well-known Member
Some people clutching at straws? But what about Scotland’s figures? What about others who broke the lockdown restrictions? All attempts at deflection.
Indeed

I am not sure what the relevance is with other things?

Just because someone else is doing as bad and/or worse, we aren't there, and are rightly talking about what is going on where we are. What's going on elsewhere is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
 

Panavision

Well-known Member
That's why I posted a link to Kuenssberg's tweet about Ferguson for comparative purposes.

On Ferguson Kuenssberg tweeted - "That's a hell of a story..." It was a real "gotcha" tweet.

On Cummings Kuenssberg tried hard to muddy the waters, yet Cummings' actions were more egregious than Ferguson's in so many regards.

Somewhere (though I can't locate it) there's a video of Kuenssberg behaving like she has the biggest crush on Johnson imaginable (this was when Johnson announced that he'd back the leave campaign).

Remember those Fast Show sketches featuring a female business leader, who's assertive with women yet goes into full baby mode the moment a man enters the room? That'll give you some idea.
This one?


:D
 

weaviemx5

Distinguished Member
Dominic Cummings has broken the guidelines, but why is the press/ phone-ins making this the biggest news story of the day?
* answer below..

Look, there are plenty of really serious stories, like why did our precious NHS dump old people into care homes, when they knew full well they could be infected. Even doctoring patient release docs to show they were negative. Many weren’t even tested!

Supplies of PPEs were not shared. The NHS took priority, depriving care homes, when in fact it had been agreed that care homes would assist in taking the pressure off NHS beds. How can they do this without PPEs?

The governments new testing at airport plan, and 2 week self isolation, is about 2 months too late! We have already had thousands of deaths and no effort was made to test in March or April. Pretty pointless now. Horse has bolted. The virus is here in the U.K. Many countries are safer than ours.

*Oh yes, why wall to wall D.C.- The press have an axe to grind because he tried to impart control and access to the PM.
All of those other things have been shared across the media, and here, over the last 4-8 weeks. They’re all awful, and damning of the management of the situation, but Cummings is today’s news. It’s got nothing to do with the media having an axe to grind, unless you think the same about the Scottish CMO or Neil Ferguson being forced to resign?

Cummings is partly responsible for the lockdown rules in place, yet appears to act like they don’t apply to him. Coupled with that, the Cabinet have toed the line today and tweeted in support of his actions, suggesting that for all their sharing of the “Stay Safe” messages over the last 8 weeks, and the apparent ‘shock’ from some of them over others breaking the rules, they don’t feel that they apply to them.
 
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GarryF

Well-known Member
He did.

I'm happy to condemn Kinnock as well. Does that help? Are Cummings' transgressions OK because Kinnock behaved irresponsibly too?
Why would you say that? I said earlier today saying cummings should go? Can't have one rule for Caldwell and another for cummings.
 

GarryF

Well-known Member
Some people clutching at straws? But what about Scotland’s figures? What about others who broke the lockdown restrictions? All attempts at deflection.
Well some of us do live in Scotland, which happens to be a part of the UK, so are you saying those opinions don't count? You're also lobbying heavily for a regionalised approach but now don't want to debate how regions have performed to date?

You meet a question you can't answer and you call it deflection? Why is a socialist scot gov who hates the tory UK gov doing just as badly, far worse than most places in Europe. Is it because they all sat in the same COBRA meetings in early March, I can't see any other reason for it. It would be great to see the minutes and the advice given out.

Are the failings political or much deeper systemic problems in how the UK functions, i.e. it wouldn't have mattered who was in charge, we'd have the same mess in Scotland England wales northern Ireland. (although NI is fairing better)

How can you say the words "worst death toll in Europe", i.e. your making comparisons, then you're refusing point blank to make comparisons with how England and it's nearest neighbour who seems to have taken the same advice are performing.

So you can call it deflection but I think it gets to the heart of the matter, who said what early on in those COBRA meetings leading to the same advice being deployed across the UK with largely the same terrible consequences in care homes.
 

Nick74

Well-known Member
showing real contempt I think for the general public.

It seems public contempt for the government is growing.

The tweet isn't even technically a denial. At least they haven't used the phrase "fake news" yet, although they're assailing us with alternative facts.

It no longer seems to matter that everybody knows they're lying. They're gaslighting us all.

Our government crossed into new territory today, aligning us even more closely with Trumpian politics. The Americans will hopefully soon begin to clean up their mess. This government's in power for another four and a half years.
 

mikeysthoughts

Well-known Member
The Observer and the Sunday Mirror said witnesses reported seeing Mr Cummings in Barnard Castle, more than 25 miles from Durham, on 12 April.

On 14 April, he was seen back at work in London. Then the papers, according to the papers, he was seen again in Houghall Woods near Durham on 19 April.
 

prezzy

Well-known Member
Fair play to him - facing having to look after my sick wife, a four year old, wondering when I was going to come down with it and carrying on working or taking a relatively short trip to not have the hassle? I think I would have done the same - other side of the country? 200 miles or so is nothing.

It is not like he was travelling to shag his bit on the side or anything.

Bored of reading about this now, would have thought there would be more important things to be talking about but obviously not 😩
 

Nick74

Well-known Member
Fair play to him - facing having to look after my sick wife, a four year old, wondering when I was going to come down with it and carrying on working or taking a relatively short trip to not have the hassle? I think I would have done the same - other side of the country? 200 miles or so is nothing.
I know. It's commendable, really. Moving to a completely different area of the country, covertly, heading out for a day trip, all while infectious and risking countless lives, including his parents'.

Personally I'd say such unapologetic disregard for other people's lives is psychopathic. Psychopaths often rise to the top. Reassuring to know he's our prime minister, in practice if not in title.

It is not like he was travelling to shag his bit on the side or anything.

Bored of reading about this now.
So bored you took the time to write about it. Your post suggests that playing roulette with other people's lives is acceptable, but shagging around crosses some moral boundary. That would be a strange code of ethics.
 

prezzy

Well-known Member
I know. It's commendable, really. Moving to a completely different area of the country, covertly, heading out for a day trip, all while infectious and risking countless lives, including his parents'.

Personally I'd say such unapologetic disregard for other people's lives is psychopathic. Psychopaths often rise to the top. Reassuring to know he's our prime minister, in practice if not in title.

So bored you took the time to write about it. Your post suggests that risking people's lives is acceptable, but shagging around crosses some moral boundary. That would be a strange code of ethics.
:D you are so funny

Different area of the country? we are a tiny country and driving in a car isn't exposing anyone to anything. 250 miles is nothing maybe you have never been out of the UK?

The shagging comment was in relation to Ferguson that resigned which some seem to be saying this is the same sort of thing 😩
 

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