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Coronavirus - do you trust the UK Government to make the right decisions ?

Coronavirus - do you trust the UK government to make the right decisions?

  • Yes

    Votes: 97 35.8%
  • No

    Votes: 174 64.2%

  • Total voters
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fat jez

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GarryF

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I didn't mention Boris, Brexit or Corbyn. You're trying to shift the debate into some conservative vs labour debate.
And you’re denying that all the government critics on here are supporters of socialist parties

Again, what’s the point of the thread, bunch of socialists moaning about Tory government?

and you claim it’s not political...
 

Nick74

Well-known Member
And you’re denying that all the government critics on here are supporters of socialist parties

Again, what’s the point of the thread, bunch of socialists moaning about Tory government?

and you claim it’s not political...
All of them? That's a bold and sweeping assertion.
 

kenshingintoki

Well-known Member
And you’re denying that all the government critics on here are supporters of socialist parties

Again, what’s the point of the thread, bunch of socialists moaning about Tory government?

and you claim it’s not political...

Sure I am denying that since I myself hold no strong political allegiance.

But if I had to pick who I can tolerate the most; it wouldn't be labour (it'd be conservative).

I'm critisising the government based on their actions; not based on which party they are.

Maybe its political for some (like yourself) but most posts I've read are criticially analysing the actions the government has made, NOT who has made those decisions.
 
Funny you should say that.

Cummings visited his parents in Durham when he should have been self isolating in London (that was of course after using public transport following his dash from No. 10).

To put that into context, Ferguson's breach involved nobody symptomatic. Ferguson was swiftly shown the door. How old are Cummings' parents? They must be an age that makes them more vulnerable than most.

I'm not sure what will come from this. It could be big. Maybe nothing will happen. I don't think the rules apply to Dom. He can't plead ignorance after sitting on those SAGE meetings.

What a ****.
Wow, just read the article. If that is all correct and the timeline accurate, there is no option but he has to go. During these times, and especially then, they’ve got to set the right example and that was so wrong on so many fronts by someone who should know better. Facts need to be checked, but there is some explanation to be done and if he hasn’t resigned this weekend Boris must sack him on Monday.

Stupid boy.
 
We had the "what do we do if we get it" conversation in March, as we've two kids, so I can emphasise with what Cummings did. We concluded we'd have to consider going to my parents, about a hundred miles away, with the kids and sit it out. We also thought the same if my parents got it.

I dare say thousands of people have had the same thoughts and conversations.

It's also worth bearing in mind that he'll have a key worker letter, which gives him a considerable amount of leeway.
We’ve had that conversation, and my bag is still packed by the door to attempt to travel through four countries to get to my parents. However, we had the conversation again when lock down was enacted, and looked at the realism of that. And we are having it again when some measures are being eased.

I think the timing is important in this situation. As far as I’m aware that was not his home, lockdown was in force, he was deemed symptomatic, and it wasn’t an essential journey and a very long journey as well. Him being a key worker is irrelevant as that journey reportedly had nothing to do with his job. He seemed to have broken self isolation rules and endangered a lot of people with his journey.

he has to go.
 
I won't carry on with this. There's no need.

It's odd, I posted several replies your posts over the last few days, all of which you ignored. I don't mind being ignored. That's entirely your prerogative. I simply find it telling that you go into firefighting mode in response to this particular contribution.
People can choose what they respond to, there is no meaning to be taken from that. Especially not by a third person.

Damn, if I responded to everything I wouldn’t be able to do anything else anymore. There is a lot of Groundhog Day going on and just can’t be bothered going over old ground over and over and over again. Other times one can just miss posts.

And to be honest, in my case I do find it very tiring how there is a vocal small group who are negative about everything. I don’t get enjoyment out of that at all, I don’t live my life like that. If something negative happens I will change it and turn it into something positive. I hate moaners.

But, I’m glad that I keep an eye on this as otherwise I’d miss you post about bad boy Cummings. That was very useful. I hope he takes action himself, and otherwise Boris should do on Monday. If he doesn’t I’d think it could be the decision that will be Boris’ downfall.
 

Nick74

Well-known Member
Wow, just read the article. If that is all correct and the timeline accurate, there is no option but he has to go. During these times, and especially then, they’ve got to set the right example and that was so wrong on so many fronts by someone who should know better. Facts need to be checked, but there is some explanation to be done and if he hasn’t resigned this weekend Boris must sack him on Monday.

Stupid boy.
Upticks for all of those contributions. Measured and accurate responses. Thanks.
 
I bet Boris won't be looking forward to the next PMQs if he protects Cummings.
Hopefully gets a little praise for getting rid of Cummings ;) But then the pressure should mount on him, when was he aware of this situation.
I didn't mention Boris, Brexit or Corbyn. You're trying to shift the debate into some conservative vs labour debate.
Shame that that is all that was taken from that post. @GarryF made some interesting remarks in there that were not related to that at all. Yes those aren’t responded to. And not just by you. In that context I do find it odd how that one line gets all this importance and focus but the interesting stuff surrounding advice, devolved administrations, and NHS transformation gets totally ignored.

Our own PM was telling everyone to sing happy birthday whilst boasting that he's shaking everyone's hands. The precdent was already set lol.
I don’t keep a personal timeline on the wall, but iirc that was before any such measures came in. So irrelevant in the context I’d say.

"When did the prime minister know that Mr. Cummings traveled 250 miles while symptomatic?"

I'd imagine that's where he'll go with this, especially if Cummings doesn't resign (which he's refusing to do at the moment).
Actually, that is almost an even bigger question. I mean the police was alerted in 31/3. So when they identified the man, I do no believe this wasn’t flagged with those looking after number ten. When was the PM notified could make this untenable for Boris to stay.

I hope there is a good reason or that he only found out just now like the rest of us. I mean changing PMs again is really not good for the country.
 

Nick74

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He should but I don't believe he will. He's regarded as too important I reckon.
I think pressure will mount and he'll officially step down.

They'll figure something out.

They'll make Cummings food and beverage director at Conservative Home, while in practice he'll keep running the show. Either that or he'll take a sabbatical and return several months down the line.
 

Nick74

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Actually, that is almost an even bigger question. I mean the police was alerted in 31/3. So when they identified the man, I do no believe this wasn’t flagged with those looking after number ten. When was the PM notified could make this untenable for Boris to stay.
It's a massive question.

That's why I think Starmer will lead on this. His instinct should take him there.
 

kenshingintoki

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Shame that that is all that was taken from that post. @GarryF made some interesting remarks in there that were not related to that at all. Yes those aren’t responded to. And not just by you. In that context I do find it odd how that one line gets all this importance and focus but the interesting stuff surrounding advice, devolved administrations, and NHS transformation gets totally ignored.


I don’t keep a personal timeline on the wall, but iirc that was before any such measures came in. So irrelevant in the context I’d say.
I had no issue with his last paragraph. He raised some good points about the potential systemic failings of the country and means to potentially improve. Is the NHS really the way forward? Is our health model better or more inferior to other countries? All really good, solid points that ultimately should be addressed.

However its hard to really have a meaningful debate with someone when they're accusing everyone who disagrees with them of having a politcal agenda.
 
I think pressure will mount and he'll officially step down.

They'll figure something out.

They'll make Cummings food and beverage director at Conservative Home, while in practice he'll keep running the show. Either that or he'll take a sabbatical and return several months down the line.
Or perhaps this is all part of another Cummings grand plan. Sacrifice himself, provide a scapegoat, or he knows about worse stuff and this gives him an “easy” our just related to Corona virus.

I actually like him. What has been attributed to him is admireable if even he was only behind half of those achievements.

And before certain individuals further cement their mental picture of me, let me help you. That doesn’t me I agree with everything he does, or caused, or stands for. Not at all.
 
I had no issue with his last paragraph. He raised some good points about the potential systemic failings of the country and means to potentially improve. Is the NHS really the way forward? Is our health model better or more inferior to other countries? All really good, solid points that ultimately should be addressed.

However its hard to really have a meaningful debate with someone when they're accusing everyone who disagrees with them of having a politcal agenda.
Thanks and agreed.

But they do have a political agenda though :) We all have bias. It always makes me smile and grin when I see posters who claim they don’t, or that they are apolitical etc. Gets even better when presenting facts.

it’s unfortunately just part of the noise. It’s pretty for most to see where their natural leaning is. There are only a few where it is much harder. But we all get that wrong at times. I shall only name myself by name but I have a liberal leaning, but am pro Brexit and even if I was allowed to vote could never vote for the LibDems in the U.K. Definitely wouldn’t consider myself a conservative.
 

Nick74

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Or perhaps this is all part of another Cummings grand plan. Sacrifice himself, provide a scapegoat, or he knows about worse stuff and this gives him an “easy” our just related to Corona virus.

I actually like him. What has been attributed to him is admireable if even he was only behind half of those achievements.

And before certain individuals further cement their mental picture of me, let me help you. That doesn’t me I agree with everything he does, or caused, or stands for. Not at all.
While it'll come as no surprise that I don't like Cummings (in truth I think he's incredibly dangerous), I appreciate your honesty and transparency.

You referred to Cummings above as a "stupid boy." I agree.

Odd, then, that he's heralded as a genius and compared with Machiavelli. I think it's unlikely that this is a giant dead cat. It'd be too big a sacrifice for government and reflects too badly on all involved.
 
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