Convert Technologies Plato Class A All-in-One System Review & Comments

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    1. Ed Selley

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      Currently working on my own review for this - very impressive unit!
       
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      Any news on your review? Comparison with Naim Star or Nova?
      Thanks
       
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      While this looks to be a very impressive unit, my biggest problem with things like this is they can become obsolete very quickly which given the high asking price seems to make it a very poor investment.

      I feel a lot more comfortable investing in a great pre-amp + amp that remains technologically current for many many years and spending less on the item that tend to become obsolete more quickly (ie micro-processor centric devices) and thus may be upgraded far more frequently. With the other parts of a ripping system - computer and NAS, while these also become obsolete quickly, they are at least very generally useful beyond just media ripping and playback and thus also can be more easily justified investments.

      If this product was say 1K or so, then that would be fine - its inline with high end streamers and offers a lot more, but at over 4k, it seems like a gadget for people with considerable money to just blow frivolously on random gadgets and really poor investment compared to the level of hifi equipment you could buy for the price (+ sling in a suitable laptop for ripping and NAS for media storage).

      From the photo there is also the look - its not the kind of thing that screams expensive and refined at you - it looks like something you might have found in Curry's along side the ghetto blasters, and cheap streamers. Lack of a remote is a bother as well. While I don't mostly control everything here from my iPhone, nothing beats a remote when you need to quickly mute (though better design of the iOS controller apps could perhaps promote some functionality like mute, volume, to lock screen for quicker access).
       
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      But adding extra boxes is exactly what this single box system is avoiding. It is also aiming at the sort of person that really doesn't want to get involved in PCs, and only has a basic knowledge of ripping CDs, if any at all. Ripping CDs (as well as archiving vinyl) is extremely simple, so much so a monkey could do it.

      The guys who have developed this have a lengthy background with PCs, so they know what they're doing, probably more so than any other hi-fi manufacturer out there producing the same thing.

      Frivilous random gadgets? A vinyl archiving system that is extremely simple. A moving magnet and moving coil turntable input with adjustable parameters. Digital inputs. Analogue inputs. USB inputs. Internet Radio. TIDAL streaming. Spotify streaming. Qobuz streaming. A remote control that if it breaks can be easily replaced (unlike many remote controls). That is, if you need to, as any phone or phone will do the trick. Being able to switch off the power amplifier and just use it as a pre-amplifier. I could go on. Frivilous? If it is, then count in the other one box systems around on the market too.

      Looks are always subjective, and you can't please everyone, but generally, people don't like to see buttons and knobs everywhere, and if you're using a phone or tablet for control, who needs them anyway? It can be controlled by the touch screen anyway. It can also be produced in any colour you like to suit your decor. That's a huge plus point.

      Why go to the trouble and expense of producing a bespoke remote control that could run into problems (the now defunct Cyrus remote for their streamers, for example), which will end up costing more than it really should, when 90% of the population already own a "remote control" anyway, and eventually will be discontinued? All a manufacturer really needs to develop nowadays is an app and keep it up to date. For those who don't have a phone or tablet, they provide a Kindle Fire. If it breaks, get a new one for less than £50. Try buying a replacement remote control after 5 years, but take a seat first whilst you're informed of the cost. If you want a larger control, get an iPad. Bigger? Any Android based product will control it.

      Personally, I think you may have missed the point of this product. This isn't for the box collector. It isn't for the tweaker. It isn't for the PC nut. This is for people that want a simple, flexible one box system that will give them everything they need, and give them a decent choice of loudspeakers to use with it too (they usually demo it with B&W 805 speakers at shows). Maybe get to understand the product before criticising it, which is unfair on the manufacturer and the product. Are you going to post up on any Naim Uniti reviews and say the same things?
       
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      I won't have those available for a direct comparison unfortunately.
       
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      Looked at these for quite sometime and even spoke to a few of the people at the company itself but for the fact they are now discontinued and no one has any on demo near me I pretty much ruled them out for a Naim Atom or Star.
       
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      I know you are not much into giving out specs, but is this actually a class A amplifier and if so what power level?.
      I see the arguement that davidf is making, but 4k is a substantial amount of money. But if ,as it is, the market is limited, and there is specialised metal work involved, costs quickly mount up.
       
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      The Class A amplifier version was normally around £1,000 more than the Class B version. Obviously there's certain benefits to Class A that I'm sure most people are aware of, but the negatives were something the company wanted to minimise to a point where it could be offered in an all-in-one product. The base of the Plato was thicker to absorb more heat, and a piece of hollow, water cooled aluminium was attached to the base and the side walls of the unit - this reduced heat build up drastically, so much so that the unit never really gets anything other than slightly warm with a normal pair of speakers. When sitting idle was always an issue for Class A products, but the Plato was designed to know it was sitting idle and basically stop using the Class A circuit (I'm sure there's a more tech based description of that somewhere). So the unit never even got hot when doing nothing.

      I currently have the Class A version on demo, so if anyone wanted to hear it, they're more than welcome to.
       
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      A true class A amplifier is 25% efficient with 75% of the power going as heat.... A class B or class AB is the reverse..
       
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      If it's as good as they reckon, and not doubting your own experience, then that's impressive.

      Wished I was able to come in your store to actually hear one.
       

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