Confused now ! Onkyo 875 or Denon 3808

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  1. Borgsj

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    Was all ready to buy the 875 to go with my kef 5005, until i spoke to my local specialist store. He recommended the 3808, which i suppose he would as he does not stock the 875. He mentioned the longevity factor of onkyo and the fact that Denon had been around for years and with potential things like repairs, spares etc could be an issue with Onkyo. He also mentioned about the fact that the 875 is a bit overspeced for its price and is cautious about its staying power. he also mentioned the 875 gets very hot. I now don't know what to do. The cost issue is not really an issue for me. i just want the best one. Please help, what do i go for, and why not go for the 875 ?:lease:
     
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    You might want to go and pick up a copy of this month's 'Hifi News' (I am a subscriber and received my copy today).

    There is an in depth test of the Denon 3808, and they rate this amp very highly indeed - giving it 88% for sound.

    You really do need to get a demo of both these amps however and make your choice based on your personal listening rather than reviews - particularly because you are undecided.
     
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    Sounds to me like your local specialist store is very much biased to Denon.

    How it can be a bad thing that something is overspecced for it's price, I don't quite understand. :D

    Best bet would be to try a specialist that stocks both and will give you a good unbiased pros and cons of both amps.
     
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    I read this as he's inferring that Onkyo haven't been round very long. Looking at the Onkyo site they've been round a while :)
     
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    Onkyo was founded in Osaka Japan in 1946. Denon was founded 1910.

    How that can have something to do with anything is beyond me...

    Check out the latest Home Cinema Choice where they give Onkyo 875 reference status.

    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/displayreview.php?reviewid=7312

    I own the big brother, 905, and it has totally blown me away. Denon have nothing that Onkyo doesn't have. But Onkyo has THX and the most killer videoprocessor available in A/V receivers of today, the Reon VX.
     
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    Martin:
    Denon have lots that Onkyo don't have.
    Denon have THX too.
    Is the Reon better than the Realta?

    The fact that your box has blown you away doesn't make it better than A.N. Other brand.
    Dealers are also entitled to their opinions and are no more biased than all the "new" Onkyo fans that have appeared in the last few weeks.

    Finally, HCC is on the same level as What Hifi when it comes to reviews. IOW, who's got the biggest advertising budget this month?

    All the above, of course, IMO.
     
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    Playing devils advocate here, would you care to detail what they are? (just limit it to the top 3 features that make a real difference)

    I see no mention of THX anywhere on Denon's site in relation to the 3808

    No idea. For what it's worth the general vibe I get is that the Reon is the best out there. I'm sure someone will compare the 2 at some point.

    Well thats just as much of an assumption as anything anyone else has said. Ignoring the whole "what does "better" mean" argument he MAY have had 20 other amps befire he got his Onkyo as a comparison. Who knows, but I'm not about to dismiss his opinion out of hand.

    But the key here is that they ARE likely to be bias, and certainly for the point of this thread and the question that was being asked. The salesman confused Borgsj with his clearly bias (and misleading by the sound of it) praise of the Denon over and amp he's almost certainly never heard.

    Most of the replies here have suggested caution and seeking further help elsewhere and I tend to agree.

    Maybe, but every review so far and the vast majority of people on every forum I've read has nothing but the highest praise for the Onkyo and while I agree with you in general, THAT much evidence implies the Onkyo's are damn fine - if not the best available at that price point at present.

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    xxGBHxx:
    I just wasted 20 minutes answering you, only for IE to bloody crash...

    Denon 3808 has DL3, USB ports and network streaming. All useful.

    Nope it doesn't have THX, only the top Denons. Need THX speakers though.

    Realta is better than Reon. Silicon Optix say so.

    KEF 5005s demand the OP the carefully listen to his proposed purchase beforehand.

    Yes, me devil's advocate. OP *must* listen before purchase, he has KEF 5005s!
     
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    Since when did the Denon3808 have HQV Video Processing of any kind. As far as I'm aware its VP is by Faroudja which is generally regarded as inferior to Silicon Optix HQV Processing. As for Reon v Realta I read somewhere (can't remember or find it) that the only difference is that Realta covers one more aspect of Video performance but is not superior as such. If that makes sense. But when discussing the 3808 it is irrelevant. :smashin:
     
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    Do you need THX speakers to benefit from THX certification within the reciever?

    I have an Onkyo 875 on order and have B&W 602S3's at the front an LCR60 and 600 for rears. They are not THX certified, will I therefore not benefit at all?

    Sheks
     
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    No one says the 3808 has a Realta processor. However, the Reon is certainly not the best out there nor the most capable video processor, as stated by other posters.

    Yes, THX modes are specifically designed to be used with THX certified speakers. Mr. Lucas says so,
     
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    Please don't get hung up about THX speakers...:suicide:
     
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    Charliecossie - who says the HQV Reon is not amongst the very best VP chips.
    I was under the impression it was, but if you know different please enlighten us.
     
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    You're not wrong there, even my crappy computer speakers are THX certified !
     
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    The 3808 has more inputs than the 875. But it does not have THX. Reon is not better than Realta, it's the other way around (minor stuff, basically). The Realta is Silicon Optix's best chip as of now, and it can be found in the upcoming Denon high end receiver. The Denon 3930 DVD player has the Realta as well.

    In my previous post I wrote " But Onkyo has THX and the most killer videoprocessor available in A/V receivers of today, the Reon VX." Emphasize the "of today" part, because the Denon high end receiver isn't available yet, and it's certainly in a different price range than the Onkyos (2-3 x the price).

    The 3808 has a Faroudja video chip, which is widely regarded as inferiour to the Reon/Realta chips. That doesn't mean it's bad, it just means that theoretically speaking the Onkyos can provide a better upscaled/deinterlaced picture than the Denon can. I'm not saying it's night and day.

    I was considering the 4308 before getting the 905, because I've had good experiences with Denon in the past.

    Now I just think Onkyo provides more features for less money.

    Some people only buy a certain brand, and they are of course entitled to do that. My point is only that it's allowed to look at different brands to see what they can offer. Either way both the the 3808 and the 875 are killer amps (yes I've heard both of them).



    When it comes to "who pays what and how much to whom" advertising talk, I'll stay clear of it.
     
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    This was a discussion on the 3808 against a 875, not a 875 against an upcoming not yet released amp thats going to cost much much more. I also hardly think that a proprietary cable format (DL3) which can only be used with other Denon equipment is much of a benefit to anyone other than Denon nuts. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the point of DL3. The usb ports are pretty useless for me but the streaming would be very nice on the 875 (though available on the more pricey 905)

    Anyway other have responded to your other points quite appropriately.

    G
     
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    Guys thank you. Certainly edging towards he onkyo as i was in the first place. Problem is, got nowhere local to me that does the Onkyo to have a comparable listen ! Sounds to me that there is only a Nats between the two anyway. The saving of £300 could help towards my cabling !:thumbsup:
     
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    i popped in to my local hi fi emporium to get some bannana plugs and spy'd the new denon 4308 and asked the sales guys opinion he said that was little to choose between the denon and onkyo in terms of sound quality but there was nearly a thousand pounds differnce in price!

    PS and they sell both.
     

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