http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AnBS3sVbO7XFdEg1SnZKdGwxcFA2SVlfMVkwSFEtN1E&hl=en Please compare and you will find what a great receiver it is from Marusys. You can run CCcam both in server and as a client, run latest Enigma2, dual-twin tuners, PVR, you can play mediafiles of all kind, it supports WiFI with USB stick, and the best is that with the latest drivers it can output 1080p. And to half the price of DM8000, the only difference from DM8000 it has two tuners less and a built-in DVD player, honestly, how many use four tuners? well you know what i mean, it's waste with four tuners as you pay 420 euros for the Vu+ Duo and the DM8000 cost at least 950 euros. Built-in DVD player year 2010? come on, we live in Bluray age now and with Vu+ Duo you can connect whatever external device you like if you have drivers that supports it. You can buy two Vu+ Duos, one for the living room and one for the bedroom, for the same price as 1 DM8000 and "still" have money left.