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  1. Thunder

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    Im a big Mann fan and somehow managed to miss this at the cinema :mad: My copy arrived yesterday and watched it last night, AWSOME :thumbsup: In my opinion its his best film since Heat. Totally hyper realistic gun play :eek: As an ex member of the forces Im always quite critical of this type of movie but this movie leaves no room for that :clap: Picture is spot on, originally shot in Hi Def according to Mann and with both Dolby and DTS audio.
     
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    I would agree, i too am a bit of a Michael Mann fan and actually caught this at the cinema and thought it was an excellent film. Definitely his best since Heat, although Heat is still my personal favourite.
     
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    still waiting on mine,monday hopefully,look forward to seeing some gunplay.....sick of matrix style shootouts these days
     
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    Not the best ending though
     
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    shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
     
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    Still waiting on my copy too..you're one lucky bugger thunder....where did you order yours from??
     
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    I quite liked it : I often find Mann's films grow on me over time.
    It was shot on a mixture of hidef and 35mm and its quite obvious in a lot of scenes , have to say the film stuff looks way nicer. You can also see where they had to open up the shutter on some of the hidef stuff to get enough light into the camera and it ends up looking a bit smeary because of excessive motionblur. I think they would have been far better off doing it all in 35mm. Colour loses a lot of detail in the hidef stuff too.

    And the inserted train composites at the end are very poor it has to be said.
     
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    Superb Film another good one from Mann and Tom Cruise plays the part well :thumbsup:

    John
     
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    My review for Collateral should be up later today... having watched the movie, which has a certain "style", I'm afraid I don't feel as enthused by it as some people seem to be. :(

    Mark
     
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    Granted its not heat, but the documentry style accuracy makes a refreshing change in this day and age. I have always preferred Black Hawk Down/Heat/Collateral style action over Desperado/Kill Bill style. I didnt quite understand your critisism of Miss Beckinsales physical ability in Underworld mate because as far as I can remember the only fighting she does is with guns apart from the vey brief end sequence :confused:
     
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    Cheers, will give them a try in future.
     
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    I loved this film and was really looking forward to the DVD.

    The picture is awesome and the extras are good. The sound for the most part is very enveloping and powerful (particularly the gunplay!) however I think the dialogue is very muffled and low in the mix. I don't think I understood 50% of what Max was talking about! My system is calibrated with Video Essentials and DVE and I also tried other settings on both the DTS and DD5.1 soundtracks to no avail - personally I like the sound in the most part but I think the dialogue intelligibility is VERY poor. Anyone else noticed this or are the actors just mumbling?
     
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    My review is up now - here

    I actually mention in the review just how good vocals sound!

    Mark
     
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    I know you did and I have to say that I am baffled. Maybe I've got a dodgy disc? I watched "Vertical Limit - Superbit" just after and every word was crystal clear. I went back to "Collateral" and low-and-behold Jamie Foxx was mumbling again (got a few words here and there). Even the jazz club scene you highlight in your review wasn't that intelligable on my set-up. Oh.. what to do?
     
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    Buy a whole new setup? :eek:

    EDIT: Did you listen in Dolby Digital or DTS?
     
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    I wouldnt be able to tell you cos mine still aint arrived yet!!
    I thought official release wasnt till Dec 14th??
     
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    Both and there seemed to be little difference except that the Dolby Digital version was slightly louder and "thinner", with the DTS being slightly warmer and not as loud (odd for DTS). The dialogue intelligability had the exact same issues on both DTS and Dolby Digital - the sound was great except the dialogue that was soft, low in the mix and quite hard to make out (especially Jame Foxx). And no.... I'm not getting a new set-up as it is only a recent purchase and other discs sound awesome. :thumbsup:
     
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    Are you sure we cant persuade you to? ;) :D
     
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    I found the vocals a little dodge too :confused:
     
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    Just watched some again with a friend after using the Pioneer AX5Ai's auto calibration and this discs dialogue (on my system at least) is NOT reference quality. Both of us think that the sound is awesome (helicopters, club scenes, gunplay, car crash etc etc) but the dialogue is of low quality, soft and unfocussed and low in the mix as if the actors are mumbling... but it may have been like that in the cinema as well. I can't remember. :confused:
     
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    What you describe is a million miles from my experience - it certainly isn't like that on my system :confused:
     
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    I had to post this U.S. review. I have turned every channel down to see if I can get good dialogue intelligability and it just ain't happening.

    http://dvd.ign.com/articles/572/572480p2.html?fromint=1

    I'm glad some people are agreeing with me. Sigismund, I don't know what you're doing to get intelligable dialogue from thei disc but please let us know.

    :thumbsup:
     
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    Didn't realise there was a docu on the train composites at the end. I must take a look so I can find out what clown did them and never hire them.
     
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    finally got time to watch this last night and i loved it,the way it was shot and the acting,superb,gunplay was excellent too,toms gun sounded nice and crisp when he fired it.the sound seemed fine to me.
     
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    my copy STILL aint arrived....
     
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    The sound for the most part is fine. It's just the dialogue and the more I listen to it I think it is the actors mumbling their lines (which isn't the discs fault).
     
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    Finally arrived today and Ive just finished watching it. Brilliant film, and yes the dialogue is muffled in parts but only when they were both in the cab together. All the rest of the soundtrack was fine.
    Great picture, I cant wait till my plasma has been run in properly so I can turn up the contrast and brightness levels higher to appreciate it even more.
     
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    [font=verdana, arial, helvetica]Bought this film last week because i like Cruise and Manns work and i saw it last thursday.

    I thought it was ok but it lacked any real development of the Cruise character and it just felt a little bit predictable in the route it took, as with all Mann films it was extremely well shot and acted but i just felt it was missing something which makes an average film into a really good film, this film was just average.

    Now as everyone who reads these forums might know i love to get my films with a DTS track. The DTS track had decent surround use and low level bass but the dialogue center channel was weak compared directly to the Dolby track, the dialogue using the Dolby track was much better, with DTS engaged the dialogue sounded strangled and harder to hear and make out. I have just watched Return of the King Extended Edition using DTS for the 3rd time ( big fan ) and it sounds clear and amazingly good so it isn't my equipment and it must be the actual disc itself.
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    it a cracking film,the picture is a bit murky in places though,you can see some of the artifacts on the night scenes on my panny viera
     

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