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Collateral

Discussion in 'TV Show Forum' started by Master Rahl, Aug 22, 2004.

  1. Master Rahl

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    I'm surprised that not much has been said about this film here. I saw this last night and was very impressed. It's my second favourite film to come out of Hollywood this year after Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind.
     
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    another fan here , predictable ending ,but otherwise a very good movie
     
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    Having just got home from seeing it you can chalk me up as another fan. Basically a two man story but carried by the charisma and downright good acting of the leads, with the slick yet seedy grittyness tha Mann is so good at bringing to the big screen. Cruise is so good when he stops trying too hard and gets a director like Mann (or PT Anderson who directed him in Magnolia) who is prepared to make Cruise a part of the movie, and not the reason for the movie - if that makes sense.
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    I don't think Michael Mann has ever made a bad film.
     
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    I agree, although "The Insider" is probably the weakest, still the source material was pretty thin.
     
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    I've gotta disagree with you there docsmith. I found "The Insider" to be far and away my favorite Mann movie. Saying that, I can fully understand why some may find it his weakest (I personaly felt the last 45mins dragged slightly). I've yet to see "Ali" and not seen "Manhunter" in years but from what I can remember of it my vote would go to "Last of the Mohicans" (again not seen it in a while).

    Think you may be on to something with you theory on Tom Cruise though. For big summer "event" movies i'd say he's one of my fav' leading actors. But his best performances have been when he's not the obvious leading man ("Collateral", "Rainman" and of course "Magnolia").

    Oh yeah and Collateral? Very solid film. Don't think it'll stand up to intense scrutiny ( I did come out thinking "why didn't he just..." and "but what about..." etc) but great performaces (esp Foxx), intereting premise, looked stunning, rocking soundtrack and overall just had a good "feel" to it. Top 5 of the year me thinks!
     
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    I don't know though . I couldn't see what the fuss was about "Heat" the first time I saw it but over repeated viewings it really gets under your skin.

    Last of the Mohicans is probably his weakest but only in so far as it seems to be paced wrongly . Slow until the last 20 minutes and then it just becomes relentless and suddenly finishes. It still has its moments though and is a very convincing realisation of that time . Its not often you totally believe the setting for a period piece but this one is pretty good.

    I would have liked to see Mann do the Lord of the Rings , would have given it a harder edge , more believable characterisation .
     
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    Hi,

    Although I've not seen "Ali" by Mann, I don't think he's ever made a bad film. All of his films, even his earliest ones like "The Jericho Mile" and "LA Takedown" were still above-average, compared to most directors.

    If I had to list his weakest film, though, it would probably have to be "The Keep", simply beause it's so darn strange.

    However, all of his other directorial releases, have been nigh-on-amazing!

    Not many other director's can rate as many hit films as Mann, not even Spielberg, Lucas, or Coppola. All of them have seen them do some really terrible stuff, but Mann always does great work!

    Can't wait to see "Collateral"!

    Pooch
     
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    Definately agree with comments here, Mann is my favourite living director.
    Haven't seen Collateral yet, but that's going to be remedied shortly.

    I think Ali, whilst a good film in it's own right, was his weakest film I felt he was too confined by the 'real life' narrative and works better on his own terms in terms of narrative and plot.

    He's great at turning potentially B-Movie material (Insider, Manhunter, Keep) into thought provoking, intelligent films.
     
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    I went to see this yesterday at a matinee performance by myself (Billy no mates!)

    I have to agree with the general consensus, it's a fantastic movie. I am also a big Michael Mann fan, and this rates up there with Heat and Manhunter. Highly recommended!
     
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    I'll be the second to dissagree (sorry mate :D ) I personally think this is Mann's strongest film to date.

    Regards,
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    Thought it was weak, formulaic garbage - an excuse for some nice photography of L.A. by night but plot / characters all painfully thin.
     
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    Dispite the fact I really enjoyed the film, I can almost see where Bling Bling is coming from. Almost mind. "Thin plot and characters"? I'd say more basic than thin. But Max was your typical "everyman" and Vincent was just a machine, caring only on his job(and Max). I thought Cruise and Foxx played them perfectly.

    "Formulaic"? The last 1/3 most definatelly. But I don't always see these as bad things. It was what it was, a very solid action/thriller. Two hours of familiar, comfortable storytelling executed with supreme style. Was it style over substance? Maybe. It's all down to expectations I guess. I got exactly what I thought I would.

    Just my opinion mind.
     
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    I thought it was pretty good.

    If Cruise had killed that Foxx and Pinkett-Smith at the end, that would have made it much better IMO.
     
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    Games Guru - SPOILER Alert!!

    You might want to edit your post to "white out" the offending line.

    Bling Bling, "forumlaic garbage" is a bit harsh in my opinion, but each to their own!
     
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    I'll second that.The day before I go to see it as well
    :rolleyes:
     
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    I'll third that... Try and be a bit more carefull in future Games Guru :lease:
     
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    Collateral - Superb. Cruise on fine form again, Foxx suprisingly good. But outstanding performance goes to Jason Statham, i didn't think anyone could be any more wooden than his 'acting' in The Transporter!.

    The Insider - Awesome, one of my favorite all time films, Pacino and Crowe are amazing, visually stunning and a plot(story) that really gripped me.
     
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