Coco Ultra HD Blu-ray Review & Comments

Discussion in '4K Ultra HD Blu-rays' started by Casimir Harlow, Mar 11, 2018.


    1. Casimir Harlow

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      Coo Cas as I have no intension of migrating over to Ultra HD after all my previous upgrades from various other audio and video formats (read ££££'s) i'll just have to make do with.... "plain old 1080p/AVC-encoded Blu-ray". Having said that a nice informed review of a film that i'm looking forward to buy when released on.... ahem.... "plain old 1080p/AVC-encoded Blu-ray". ;)
       
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      I might be reading between the lines of your review here but my interpretation is that this is a very minor upgrade. I would have thought this would be a showcase for the format. I'm a little disappointed that doesn't seem to be the case.
       
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      There's only so much you can do /expect with animation surely ? 4k tends to be much more of a dramatic improvement to traditional films doesn't it ?
       
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      My thinking would be that the colours could really be pushed as accuracy is less of a concern. Same with peak highlights, they could really blind you and push it as high as it can go. I've found the whole format hit and miss to be honest.
       
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      Quite the opposite. There is an inherent blur with live action content due to the limitations of optical photography.

      A CG image can, if the director wants it to be, be razor sharp. That can make it look rather artificial, so CG when mixed with live action is usually softened.

      In the case of Coco, the film was rendered at 2K at source. This will have been a cost and time consideration. Plus it's a kids film anyway, and as they'll be watching it on DVD there wouldn't have been much point in spending the time on 4K.
       
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      There's a few big kids that would appreciate it! But I get your point and agree.
       
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      Thanks for the review Cas,great disc and movie,shame no UK release,but got mine from the US :)
       
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      Wish I’d read this review earlier - I’m just leaving Newark now, and was in BestBuy earlier today perusing/buying some of their 4K stuff. I saw both Coco and Thor on the shelves, and that’s where they stayed - Thor because it’s just as cheap on Amazon, and Coco because it was the same price as Thor - not realising we couldn’t get it in the UK!

      Oh well, I’m back in the States next week, so will pick up a copy then.

      Stateside, people are complaiming that they are no longer getting Disney 3D discs - which we, of course, do. Certainly, I saw no 3D discs at all on the shelves in BestBuy!
       
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      I jumped on the 4k bang wagon lately and my honest opinion is also mixed, leaning on the side of disappointment, I have an OLED65B7 and an Oppo 203 btw. I find myself watching 2k versions and loving every minute unlike it's 4k counterpart. Coco's 4k release gets a pretty average review on blu ray dot com but the 2k version gets highly praised.
       
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      That's interesting. You've certainly got the equipment to show off the format. There are still a couple of great discs, John Wick 2. The BBC planet stuff. But on the whole it's minor upgrades. I recently watched Thor 3 and felt it could have delivered more. Especially in the peak highlights. The lighting in particular could have offered much brighter impact.
       
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      On a general note regarding AVF reviews, it is a shame that none of the major releases seem to get a blu ray review anymore if there is a UHD version as well. Surely many more people are still buying standard blu rays than UHDs? In fact, most people I know still buy DVD's and don't even have a blu ray player!
       
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      @BrightonChris Agree regarding John Wick, but still it's subtle, certainly not DVD vs Blu ray difference..Planet Earth II was worth the price of the Oppo to be honest, although Blue Planet II in my opinion suffers in some parts with posterisation, and one scene (if you look carefully and very quickly) suffers from Macroblocking.
      @Mallardo I agree about 2k reviews, after the dust has settled with my new toys etc, I will (for the moment) always buy the 2k versions of new releases. This says it all about the general pubic..oops typo, the Blu ray section, in the always pleasurable shopping experience that is CEX, is roughly 2 or 3 display units, DVD is half to two thirds of the shop. Remember that us AVF members are that 1% that actually give a monkeys.
      As for Coco it looked awesome in 2k and also a great film.:thumbsup:
       
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      John Wick 2 is an upscale, but it does have some decent HDR which gives the picture some pop. I did notice edge ringing in places from the upscale though, which is pretty unsightly. Weirdly John Wick 1 had a 4K DI, but from a 2.8k source so it's still mostly upscaled.

      Have you seen Dunkirk and The Revenant? Both are true native 4K and they look spectacular. The detail in Dunkirk in particular is phenomenal, it really shows what's capable with real 4K.

      I watch plenty of vanilla BDs as I get them through Cinema Paradiso, and to be frank, most of them look absolutely fine. For £2 per rental they're more than good enough.
       
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      @Kotatsu Neko Yes I forgot about Dunkirk! It looked jaw dropping in the Imax scenes. The detail was the best I have seen. But I found the transitions to the traditional letterbox format within the film incredibly jarring. Not just because of the ratio change but more because of the very noticeable drop in PQ. Really showed up the difference.
       
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      I thought the UHD looks worse, much much darker picture over the bluray.

      Cartoons just don't benefit from WCG and HDR treatment, alot of re releases of movies don't either, the Harry potter's are too dark as well, all for a little more pop on a couple of scenes.

      The price increase for negliable quality increase is taking the Micky now, they really need to start sorting it out.
       
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      That's interesting. I 've never seen a UHD on a 4k display so I have no frame of reference.

      Since the improvements of UHD over blu ray seem to be up for debate, maybe AVF could review Blu Ray and UHD versions together and offer a direct comparison? I mean, it is not like comparing DVD to VHS, is it?
       
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      The darkness problem really needs to be addressed. With all HDR content. Has to be a mastering problem but sometimes I'm squinting trying to see what's going on!
       
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      If the image is too dark then it's your TV, not the disc(s).
       
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      I completely agree. I have an LG 65E6 and haven't had an issue with UHDs being too dark.
       
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      And I have a LG OLED65B7 and albeit the whites are blindingly bright, most of the time I struggle with the dark parts, hence why I prefer 2k prints....Let the argument begin lol. All I can say is I have this set up within an inch of it's little Korean life.
       
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      It isn't really up for debate. If you are having an issue with UHDs being too dark it is your setup that is at fault not the UHDs.
       
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      Yep prefect on my Panasonic 902 :)
       
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      902 here as well, like @StanleyKubrick says it's the dark scenes are darker than their SDR counterparts. I can see this going off the rails. So I'll leave it there.
       
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      If ever there was a post to provoke a debate, this is it! :laugh:
       
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      Really? The vast majority of UHD reviewers and viewers have absolutely no issue with them being too dark.
       
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      I have no idea! I didn't say that I was going to debate it, I am so behind the times I only got a blu ray player last year so I wouldn't be in any position to comment.

      I was simply pointing out that saying that an issue isn't up for debate on the internet usually means that it will be debated by somebody, at length. I could be wrong in this case though, as nobody is actually debating it, apart from me. Kind of.

      In summary, I was just making a flippant comment. I can't help it, it's a curse. :)
       
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      You are right of course so I've taken out the last sentence of my previous post because it invited debate.[emoji16]
       
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      The vast majority of people also still watch with Curry's dayglo settings and frame interpolation still active...:thumbsup: A friend of mine still thinks this setting is 'normal' and said don't touch it when I said I could make it 'better'...but who am I (control freak):censored::censored::censored::censored::censored: It's his tele, let him enjoy the thing I say.
       
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      Nevermind actual reviewers saying that some UHD discs are darker than than the 1080p discs, must be all their TVs too, or maybe, just maybe, the films are actually darker?????

      Forgot, Must not criticize 4k........it's the new sliced bread washing machine Jesus.
       

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