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Chuck out the Linn?

Discussion in 'AV Pre-Amp/Processors & Power Amps' started by liteswap, Jun 22, 2004.

  1. liteswap

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    If you had a (partially) Linn-based system, would you chuck it out for the sake of unifying the system? Here's the problem:

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    Integrated amp - Linn Majik
    CD - Linn Mimik
    AV processor (add-on for 3 AV channels) - Yamaha DSP-8000
    Speakers - Heybrook HB3 (floorstanding units -- these are now 20 years old and still going strong); Rega/B&W for centre/surround sound.
    Tuner - NAD

    What I want to do at some time in the next few months is bring the AV and music amplification under one roof as it were, putting it all in one, or at most two, boxes, and ditch the hybrid setup that I've got at the moment. It's been this way for three years since I added the Yamaha and I feel it's time for a change, not least because a key benefit would also be to achieve more visual harmony for domestic purposes.

    What I don't want to do is lose sound quality. Tough one without spending a small fortune (let's say up to £1,500), since the Linn gives (to my ears anyway) a great sound -- this is a system I've built up over the years through assiduous listening tests and I'm reluctant to mess with it.

    So what's not needed is a low-end box that's good for cinema but not music. Ideally, the answer would be a good quality amp with music pass-through and an AV processor & power amp, all in one or at most two boxes. Is this achievable within the budget? Stretch it a bit to £2k-- what then?

    Eg the Arcam A10 / A10P / DAVE combo -- how much would I lose, if anything, going in this direction? Other thoughts/ideas?

    TIA.
     
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    Chuck out the Linn?


    Arrrgh.....I feel a heart attack coming on:D:rotfl: :rotfl:
     
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    You'll be a Linn fan then? :)

    I didn't mention my 1980s vintage LP12 (with the Valhalla upgrade)... So going eg Arcam would be quite a wrench since I like the Linn sound. However, the Yamaha has little to commend it. It works but doesn't have ProLogic II -- and the sound though competent isn't particularly engaging.
     
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    Second hand 5103 ? I know one that's hovering at 1250. Couple that with a second hand LK140 for around 650 and that's quite a step up from the Majik. Doesn't reduce the boxes but great fun.

    Or a Classik Movies Di ? Lots around ex-dem. One box and lots in it.
     
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    That's the best idea I've heard in a long time. I'll check it out, thanks.
     
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    ....although doing some research on the Classik Movie DI suggests that it's got a noisy fan. Can't be doing with that. Is anyone in a position to clarify (or suggest alternatives)?
     
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    There is a 5103 @ £1000 in the free ads on www.hififorsale.com
    And somone else is selling one with the linn 5 channel amp.
     
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    Hi Liteswap, I was in the same position as you a few months ago. I wanted to get a better processor (and then a better DVD player) but retain most of my Linn gear. In the end I bought an AV5103 off eBay to do the processing and I will be selling my Linn Kairn pre-amp at some point. When I looked at other processors around I eventually stumped up for the Linn because (a) I like the Linn sound (b) the AV5103 is reckoned to be one of the best processors around for Stereo music - I listen to more CDs than I watch DVDs.

    Of course you will be able to keep your Majik to use as a power amp - you could use it to power the rears or bi-amp the centre speaker.

    The only downside to the AV5103 I have experienced so far is the difficulty I have had setting it up - you have to configure all the inputs depending on what they will be used for. I've ended up buying an S-video --> scart socket to that I can use the on-screen display menu for set-up, although this will give me video switching :eek:)
     
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    Re the fan issue - I had a classic movie and just couldn't live with the fan noise, it may have improved on the DI but I in the end I went the seperates route.
     
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    Entirely agree, excellent package spoiled by intrusive fan noise. I cant believe Linn let the product go out like that and how little the reviewers picked up on it. Also if you have difficult speakers or drive them really hard the fan goes into overdrive mode and eventually the thing overheats and shuts down.

    If you are prepared to use the preamp out and power the main speakers via a power amp as I do its just about tolerable.

    Linn claim the Di version is much better.
     
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    Some interesting points about the noise of the Classik Movie DI-- especially since there's one fan noise source in the room already, in the shape of a DVD/HDD player. No more.

    I'm also wary of the all-in-one-box solution for all the usual reasons to do with upgrading/faults -- plus, after all, I've already got a DVD player, so why buy another when I could spend that money on better quality sound instead?

    There seem to be quite a few 5103s knocking around. Would those who've had one say they make the Linn 'sound'? If so, I think I'm coming round to the 5103 idea, although, if I sold the Yamaha DSP-E800 that would lstill eave me short of three channels of amplification...which suggests selling the Majik and shelling for a 5125.
     
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    Have you a local Linn dealer nearby ? They can demo the options and keep you on budget.

    Not heard the CMDi but did go from Majik to a 5103. Very much the Linn house sound (and a big shift up from the Majik). Cheap as chips now with the arrival of the new pre-amps. If you went to a dealer then you could try the Exotik which whilst new will have a +DA add-on later this year for surround duties.
     
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    I may take a look at the local dealer, though I'm not ready to cough £3k+ for a pre-amp no matter how good it is. Even £2k for a secondhand 5103 isn't QUITE cheap as chips :)
     
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    Yeah but they are going for £1000 :)
     
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    Hmm, the only 5103 I can find for that price is on this board but it's the Mk I, non-DTS version...
     
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    I paid £1,315 + £20 P&P for an ex-dem model sold with a 1 year guarantee by a Linn dealer on eBay :D
     
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    Martin Kleiser - Bargain Corner... Linn 2250 Power Amplifier, £1,995, £239.40, £1,755.60. Linn 5103 Processor, £3,285, :eek:
    Some chips!! :rolleyes:
     
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    Out of interest, I popped down to my local dealer last week and listened to a Rotel 1056. Very analytical and clear but on voices and classical music in particular, you can hear the emotion and the music with my Linn Majik-I, the Rotel sounded too clinical by comparision on music only. On films it sounded wonderful...

    Off to listen to the Arcam AVR300 this week...
     
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    I know for a 5103 ex demo in a dealer for £1600 if your interested i'll pm you the phone number.
     
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    You have PM
     
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    I just got back from an A-B demo of the ARcam Diva AVR300 back-to-back with my Linn Majik. Very impressive -- not the Linn sound but certainly comparable. I think I know what my next upgrade is going to be...
     

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