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  1. Mark Ward

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    My HTPC is up and running fine but I want to add an additional PC to my network for Video editing, storage & DVD+/- burning .

    I need this machine to be CHEAP (and preferably small).

    What can I get away with? I have a 120gb Seagate spare and I'll add the DVD writer of my choice (prob Pioneer or Sony).

    Video & sound on motherboard would be ideal so long as I could edit large Nebula files etc.

    For realtime Cd/Video streaming isn't essential (but would be nice) as I'm think of this more for archiving stuff I can pull back to the HTPC should I wish to view again.

    I'll say again CHEAP is important:)

    Thanks for any advice.

    MArk.
     
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    To be honest Mark, you'll want as powerful a PC as you can get for video editing, which clearly won't be cheap. If you just wanted to burn and stream footage, i'd suggest a Mini-itx box, or a second hand PC system. Something like a P4 1.8 or athlon XP 1600XP go pretty cheap these days.
     
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    Ebuyer have the Shuttle XPC SN41G2 at £161-60 + VAT. Just add AMD CPU, RAM, HDD and an optical drive for a nice little system
    Shuttle Barebones
     
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    Yup the shuttle seems a good solution..plus the fans etc are quite easy to make quite. i got one for my sister with a XP2600...has a Nforce m/b with digital sound..on board graphics..nice little PC.
     
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    I got an Asus A7N266-VM-SE SKT A MATX mobo for an AV case (ATX was too big), and it has everything on board - video, lan, sound (including 5.1 for those who may be interested). It's £42 from ebuyer, and although there are cheaper boards with everything built in (from around £32), this one seemed the most reliable, and it has AGP for other Graphics cards, along with 3 PCI.

    I also got a cheap Coolermaster 'silent' fan (29db, not really silent but better than a lot of them.) which cools up to a 3200 AMD, and that was good value too.

    Cases start from around £13 inc VAT, and kb, mouse and floppy will set you back a further £10 probably. Processor will be the next most expensive item depending on what speed you want. It only takes DDR memory btw.

    HTH

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    Ebuyer have the Shuttle XPC SN41G2 at £161-60 + VAT. Just add AMD CPU, RAM, HDD and an optical drive for a nice little system

    but don't forget an operating system....
     
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    Mark, there is nothing that beats new Asus microATX MB that should not exceed £100 with everything onboard - model P4P800-VM-UAY www.asus.co.tw
    Add £10 IEEE1394 card and you have perfect Video editting PC!
    This one even fits into tiny towers (best are Yoeng-Yang) http://www.yeongyang.com/ models YY-A103 / YY-A203
    this is 800MHz FSB board and if you go over 3GHz you have a monster in the house with hyperthreading etc

    We use it with two partitions, one for daily work and one very clean for video editing

    This is SMALL and CHEAP if you compare it to normal prices for that fast machines
     
  8. Mark Ward

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    Some good advice there, I'm sure!

    Looks like a small shuttle style PC is the way to go.

    @Plump:- Will that board have adequate graphic capability? Reports on shuttles seem to suggest AGP cards are a must.

    Tiny case would be ideal, tiny and cheap is a real bonus.

    Will look in detail at my options, though the YeongYang ones didn't look as compact as the shuttles in the pictures and weren't very attractive (not that looks are that important)

    Thanks everyone!

    Mark.
     
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    mark,
    @ tower - it is really small
    @ board - there is agp card onboard, should work fine, another AGP slot is there too and you can choose per bios setting which one to use
     
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    Plump - where can you get those Yeong Yang cases from in the UK?

    (A quick look on the 'net reveals only a couple of places and not much by way of the available range :( )
     
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    mca, I am not UK based, I live on relation Holland, Germany, Poland,
    sorry if dissapointed :(
     
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    I got a Colermaster ATC 620c BX1 from Kustom, but you can get it cheaper here:

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Coolermaster_Cases_126.html

    Some very nices cases out there if you don't mind spending a bit more dosh. Many like the Coolermaster one only take MATX mobos, and the Asus A7N-266 does the job - you'll need a J-Panel for the spdif out from the mobo, and you'll have to mod it to fit into a PCI blanking slot for rear output.

    HTH

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    Take a look at the Shuttle SK41 which you can get for about £150. Cheap Athlon+ memory add you drives and up and running for around £250-£300 mark. Not the latest chipset but with take everything you want from it.:smashin:
     
  15. Mark Ward

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    OK

    I decided to up the spec somewhat.

    Asus P4P800Deluxe Mobo
    Pentium® 4(S478) Intel 3.0GHz (PG-800FSB) (Don't Know Intels - Do I need extra Cooling?)
    1gb Crucial 3200 Ram
    120gb Serial ATA Seagate
    Pioneer or LG +/- DVDWriter

    Still unsure of the case.

    I want SMALL tower, yet DVD-Writer to be horizontal so that rules out the YeungYangs, what's the best small shuttle or mini tower case to go for?

    [Edit]Just noticed this Mobo is ATX not Mini-ATX
    [EDIT]Thinking about it.. Front USB (& firewire) would be pretty useful too.

    thanks,

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    I'm sure that the Asus P4P800Deluxe is a full size motherboard so that will rule out any of the shuttle Small Form Factor cases which will only take the Mini ITX type boards.
     
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    P4P800-VM would fit into tiny tower and it is slightly better than the board you choose
    any you can lay down tiny tower from yeongyang too

    on dvd writer i would wait for new nec , heard some bad infos on LG

    your choice
     
  18. Mark Ward

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    Oops! Meant to go for the VM Mini-Itx originally, saw the other one and assumed some confusion on form factor. I want the on-board gfx anyway.

    OK, I will go for the VM version, still looking for a suitable small, cool shuttle/mini tower with the DVD drive sitting horizontally (on it's side as a mini desktop won't work for me due to deskspace Plump).

    Front firewire & USB a real bonus.

    Any recommendations? There seems to be a bewildering number of shuttles out there but most are barebones and I want to specify this mobo.

    Mark.
     
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    Antec Sonata is a very nice case and would fit your other componants very well. I know it will, I have a sysytem just like it.:smashin:
     
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    That's a lovely case Graham, thanks I'll consider it.

    However I was really looking for small as possible.

    I know I'm asking for everything but there must be a miniATX formfactor small case with front USB & firewire.

    Still, that case looks great and also quiet, though it's not for the HT room, it's for video editing & stuff.

    Mark.
     
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    Lian li do one with room for two 5 and a quarter devices
    Lian li
    It has front usb but not firewire unfortunately
     
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    It's also worth checking out Kustom PCs - they have a big selection of cases and a small form factor section. They also have a forum dedicated to SFF
     
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    I posted a reply last night but seems not to have appeared, strange!

    Thanks for the info on the Lian Li case, it is one I've been considering.

    Out of stock at Kustom right now.

    Will post on their forum too,

    Cheers,

    Mark.
     
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    Well, logged on to Kustom forum and asked around.

    Seems that a system based around SB61G Shuttle will give me EVERYTHING I need.

    It'll work out more than the Asus P4P800-VM in a YeungYang but I get front USB/Firewire & Horizontal DVD-Writer as well as comparable specs.

    Thought I'd post here before going ahead incase there is something lacking in this system that would be very useful.

    Mark.
     
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    Going for the SB61G

    P4 3.0 800FSB CPU
    512Mb Crucial PC3200 (x2)
    Seagate Barracuda 160gb S-ATA HDD
    DVDWriter (Pioneer or Wait for NEC)
    GFX Card ??
    XP Pro

    Will hopefully order tomorrow.

    On DVDWriter PLUMP said
    Will this be out soon and would it be better than the DVR106? What's putting me off the DVR106 is no firmware hack to regionfree.

    Also considered the Sony DRU-510AX which is more money and also has no hack yet.

    Graphics Card
    Also thinking of GeForce FX graphics card. What's this Ultra & Quadro all about? There's so many!!!!:confused:

    I want DVI to my LC L1710B and good performance for games and but not TOO expensive (sub £150 on Scan or Dabs etc.)).

    I will be buying tomorrow so don't want to make wrong choices.

    Thanks again,
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    Did you manage to get sorted ? I noticed you were getting some good advice on the Kustom site - they know more about SFF than me.
     
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    All ready to buy:)

    Still deciding on specific makes of GeForce fx5600 Ultra GFX card
    (Currently looking like Creative)

    Still deciding on specific makes of DVDWriter
    (Currently looking like Pioneer DVR106)

    But I'm pretty certain that it will be a shuttle SB61G:)

    Mark.
     
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    That shuttle is very nice. I've read somewhere that 8x DVD drives will be appearing near Christmas (8x for +R) - typical when I've just gone and bought the Sony DRU-510. I wonder if it's worth waiting for the next batch of recorders? Story here
     
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    Mark, I'd rather wait a bit.
    I heard so many things about LG DVD burners that turned me off from them.
    Sony DRU-510 is expensive but worth every penny and new NEC will be great too. One buddy who works at NEC saw pre production models and says only the best. He might be biased but I trust the man. I am not bad there but he's sort of real computer guru.
    Your choice
    If you go for Sony here is good offer
    http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009MFFC/qid=1062750728/302-9022704-1098425
     
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    Asus do a fantastic little P4 stand up bare bone system.
    It includes a P4 Fan+Heatsink

    VGA including DVI/Video/SVideo out.(64mb shared mem)

    Front I/O
    • 1 x PCMCIA
    • 1 x 4-in-1 Card Reader (SM, MS, MMC, SD)
    • 1 x S/PDIF-In
    • 1 x S/PDIF-Out
    • 2 x IEEE 1394 (6pin, 4pin)
    • 2 x USB 2.0
    • 1 x MIC-In
    • 1 x HeadPhone
    Rear I/O
    • PS/2 KB/Mouse, MIC-In/Line-In/Line-Out
    • 1 x S-Video
    • 1 x TV-out
    • 2 x USB 2.0
    • 1 x RJ45(LAN)
    • 1 x DVI-Out
    • 1 x VGA
    • 1 x Parallel
    • 1 x Serial


    It needs CPU/HDD/RAM optional CD/DVD etc.

    It only costs £135 inc VAT

    Click here for Asus Pundit

    I've just bought one to run my networked CCTV security camera system.

    I added:-
    P4 2.4gz 533 FSB CPU = £130 inc
    180gb 8mg cache 7200rpm HDD = £127
    512 DDR 2700 Ram = £60
    52X Asus CDrom = £15

    I teamed this to a silver blue 15" Iiyama AX3818 MM TFT screen via DVI. (£198inc)


    The fan system is controlled by the motherboard so is quite.:smashin:
     

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