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Cheap HiFi racks/stands

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by NicolasB, Jan 30, 2003.

  1. NicolasB

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    Possibly this thread would be more comfortable in "General Hardware" - moderators feel free to redirect if you wish.

    Does anyone have any suggestions for CHEAP but beneficial stands or racks for AV equipment? Lack of floorspace means that I am going to have to look at arranging things vertically, as I am going to end up with big, deep, 32" TV, Sky+ box, DVD player, processor, power amp, DVHS video recorder, two fair-sized floorstander speakers, a large centre speaker, and a fair-sized subwoofer all up the same end of the room, and there just isn't that much floorspace. :blush:

    I don't mind spending a bit more money to get something sturdy enough to support my power amp (Bryston 9B THX). If I am going to put the amp on the shelf then it needs plenty of space for airflow around it. I don't mind spending a bit more to get something where the shelves are properly isolated from each other and from the frame to reduce vibration. I would like something that's made from a material with good internal damping. Most HiFi racks seem to have metal frames and shelves made of glass - what's that about? It may look nice, but surely it will ring almost as badly as metal once it starts to vibrate? Chipboard or MDF or something like that seems like a much better bet.

    I don't care at all what it looks like. And I don't want to pay three times the price for something just because it is called a "Hifi Rack" instead of "Shelves".

    Any suggestions?
     
  2. Flimber

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    Flexirack ?
     
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    Guess it depends what you call cheap... Richer Sounds do some "revolver" racks that look sort of simlar to the sound organization stuff, but with MDF shelves for about £100.

    I know when I went to IKEA to look I was quite dissapointed that they didn't have anything suitable for much less money.

    regards
    Paul
     
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    I still rate apollo aria modular,

    because it's modular you can add shevles (and expense) as need be,

    figure £50 a shelf,

    really nice finish, and quite solid.
     
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    Wickes and B&Q warehouse do some nice ones in their wood section, you have to assemble it yourself though :clown:

    Regarding your comments on 'singing' from the glass and metal, the reason why this is not happening is because it is insulated with plenty of rubber in between and from the floor. The Soundstyle is a beautifully built rack which won many awards. Mine is for sale :cool: as I need something with doors to protect the gear from my little girl. That's where I discovered Wickes and B&Q warehouse as you just can't buy any hifi/av racks with doors. Except for those tiny tv cabinets...

    Cheers,

    JP
     
  6. deckard

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    I think Flimber was suggesting the TNT FleXy rack.

    It's a DIY job and in fact I'm off to make one this very afternoon!

    Check out www.tnt-audio.com and see what you think.

    Cheers
     
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    A cheap AV stand is an oxymoron. You will be hard pressed to find anything from Ikea et al capable of supporting the weight of your TV.

    I bit the bullet last autumn and shelled £600 on a quadraspire 4 shelf rack. When you think how much your equipment cost, it's really not that bad. Very wife friendly as you can see (the Q9C doesn't match as it's on loan from 7oaks 'til they get the one to match the Q1s)
     

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    It doesn't necessarily have to support the weight of the TV - this has its own supporting cabinet, but as that only has two rather closely-spaced internal shelves I need a bit more room.(Not quite sure what I would then do with the centre speaker, mind you - perhaps a separate speaker stand).


    If the isolation were perfect then that might be okay, but it never will be. Once you do get some vibration then you want it to be damped as quickly as possible. Isolated glass shelves may work well, but it seems to me that MDF shelves with the same isolation are going to be better still.
     
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    Can your centre take being against the wall like the coda 80 can?(assuming your tv is by the wall). If so I saw a really neat solution in a designer furniture store recently in that they had the centre speaker supported on what I can only describe as two brackets that look like silver bolts. I saw some similar brackets in B&Q a few weeks back for £10 for a pair made by a company called spur. Of course if you have a rear ported centre, then this won't work.

    Never have been a fan of centre speakers on top of the tv.
     
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    I don't think Nautilus speakers take very kindly to being placed on walls, apart from the SCM surround speakers which are specifically designed for wall mounting.

    The TV actually isn't against the wall at the moment anyway. The room is a through lounge with the sofa roughly half way along it looking toward the front bay window. The TV is roughly in the middle in front of the window bay - about two feet from the front of the bay, 5 feet from the window. (There are heavy velvet curtains which are quite effective absorbers, so the focusing effect of the bay is not that great).
     
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    I can't find any reference to this on Richer Sounds' website, does anyone have a link?
     
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    There's a photo in their latest leaflet, if anyone has a copy and a scanner.

    I've not seen one in person, but from the picture it looks a lot (to me) like a Sound Organisation Z560 but with MDF shelves.

    regards
    Paul
     
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    As Bonesy suggests this is good - flexible - see my ad in the Classified section if you are interested:)
     
  15. NicolasB

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    Thanks, Peggy. I may yet decide to abandon my principles as far as glass/MDF. :) If not, then perhaps I'll buy the MDF version of the Aria new....

    As a partial aside, I was down at my parents over Christmas. Their living room window is about five feet high and is a single sheet of glass. It is really quite scary just how much that sheet of glass bends and flexes when it's windy. (You can tell that it's bending because of the way the reflection from the fireplace moves around on the surface). This is obviously rather an extreme example, but it does show that glass is actually quite flexible and (more importantly) it's simply a matter of observation that after a gust the window surface oscillates many times back and forward before it stops moving. I suppose it's possible that specially toughened glass might behave differently....
     
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    NicolasB

    Further to my previous post I finished building my FleXy rack yesterday evening.

    An absolute doddle to make, cheap as chips (est £30-40), as adjustable as you wish (the shelves move up and down on threaded rods) and, from listening last night, improved imaging.

    Not bad at all really.

    My rack supports my amps/DVD only, as the name suggests it's slightly flexible, and might not be suitable for a big telly without some adjustment.

    I'll try and post a piccy if you're at all interested.
     
  17. NicolasB

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    Says you. Unfortunately I suffer from pretty bad dyspraxia. I can screw in screws without any problem, but accurately cutting 18mm circular holes in a piece of wood (or for that matter threading a needle) requires more precise hand-eye coordination than I'm capable of. :(
     
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    Sorry to hear that Nic.

    Actually I didn't use a hand held drill as such as I was also concerned about making accurate holes.

    I got an attachment that converts a hand drill into a bench drill, so no need for a steady, coordinated hand.

    Doddle status reinstated if you have a bench drill/one of these adaptors.

    Cheers
     
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    Have you got a link to where I can get the Flexy rack. (and if you manage to add pictures of yours (av rack that is! .:zonked: ) that would be great)
     
  20. NicolasB

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    You may well be right. Problem with that is that I don't own any tools more complex than an adjustable spanner. :blush: By the time I've shelled out for a proper workbench, electric drill, etc. that kind of outweighs the cost benefits of opting for a "cheap" DIY option. :)
     
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    Yeah, could be a rather expensive, 'cheap' rack if you've got to buy all the clobber to build it as well!

    Ho hum, hope something else presents itself.

    The Sound Organisation racks have always been well thought of and are pretty inexpensive.

    Bogside, will try and dig my camera out when I get home, follow the link in my post from yesterday on where to find details on FleXy rack.
     
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    Bogside,

    Here's the finished article...

    PS the colour scheme on the walls isn't mine!
     

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    Nice job Deckard :smashin:

    Thinking of having a go at one of these myself, just a couple of quick questions, if ya divint mind.

    Where did you get your threaded bar (local hardware/specialised engineer ? Did you use normal steel or go for the stainless ? can't really tell from the piccy ? Have you used anything at the bottom of the bars or is it straight onto the floor did you use the anti-damping paint and isolation spray as per the article

    Oh and any major pitfalls to watch out for!!

    Cheers m8

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    I'm also interested to know how you finished off the bottom of the threaded bar as knackering the carpet isn't an option!!

    tuttonp

    P.S Anyone know where I can source Stainless Threaded Bar either mail order or local to Bristol/Trowbridge ??
     
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    7thGuest/TuttonP

    Got the threaded bars and everything else from B&Q - stainless incidentally. One thing though, couldn't find 18mm bars anywhere for love nor money so I've used 12mm.

    The rubber washers are 3/4" hose washers from the plumbing section.

    Didn't use the anti-damping stuff, the shelves are natural MDF sealed with two coats of watered down PVA glue approx 50/50.

    As regards the bottom of the bars, I finished them with cap bolts the same as the top - I've got a laminate floor in my room and didn't want to knacker it either!

    No big pitfalls except as NicolasB pointed out it's prob a good idea to ensure the holes you drill are absolutely vertical or as close as you can manage.

    P.S. I've now added another shelf for my CD player as there was plenty of room and I couldn't fit it on my old one - may post an updated piccy later.
     
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    Cheers Deckard

    Just off to B&Q now :hiya:

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  27. NicolasB

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    By the way, I'm told that when drilling or sawing MDF you should wear a mask, because the dust is carcinogenic.
     
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    Spot on NicolasB, you should wear a mask when working with MDF - safety 1st!
     
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    Here's the extra shelf...
     

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    I've found one place (click here) that sells threaded steel rods in 16mm and 20mm (at least I'm fairly sure that's what M16 and M20 means). For a little bit more (£4.50 vs £5.00 for 20mm) they have zinc-plated ones - I don't know if that would be an effective substitute for stainless steel.

    You may well find them cheaper elsewhere, I don't know.
     

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