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changing from cheap to dearer spkr cables have forum members noticed a differance

Discussion in 'Cables & Switches' started by mick23, Aug 7, 2002.

  1. mick23

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    if you have been using £1.50 p/mtre cable and have changed to dearer more exotic cable have you noticed a definite improvment and in what way views please
     
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    I started off with a Prinzsound music centre from Dixons, quite good speakers, Garrard SP25 Mk111 turntable, around 1973.
    The original bell wire was changed to a QED and it sounded just the same.
    Later, I had a Yamaha 710 amplifier with Goodmans RB65 speakers, the cable was changed to QED 79 Strand, sounded the same to me.
    Pioneer SX-1270 240 watts per channel with Pioneer HPM-150 five feet high, 15inch bass, + a super tweeter, changed cable to an expensive Monitor Audio flat inter-twined transparent sheathed super cable..........still sounded same.
    Miss out a few steps, Naim NAC-72/NAP250 still using weird Monitor Audio wire, changed to Naim NAC-5 speaker cable......couldn't hear any difference.
    Right now more recently, Yamaha DSP-AX1 with Mission speakers all around, used QED Silver Anniversary Bi-Wire to all speakers............................guess what, neither my wife nor myself can say there is any difference whatsoever.
    I don't disbelieve people who say they can judge audio characteristics of speaker cables, and I don't regret buying "something better", try it yourself :) .
     
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    I did!
    To be brief,I changed from QED silver anny to genesis Bi-wire.
    There was a difference(I'm a bit of a sceptic,wasn't expecting much)But it wasn't all good.
    I had what appeared to be a wider soundstage but"flappier" more uncontrolled bass.
    I put this down to the capacitance of the new cable.
    Regards
     
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    I pretty much agree with gringotts these days.

    I used to buy into all this - I used to think I could hear improvements - I later proved to myself that I couldn't!
    That's within reason though, once you get to suitable stuff (ie above the bellwire etc) - even then I think a lot of it may be to do with the amount of current you are shoving down the wire.

    Pop the bass driver out on one of your speakers and see what's used internally - you may be surprised in many cases to find nothing but cheap electrical hook up wire - probably less than 10p/m.


    I honestly think a lot of it is psycho-acoustic effect and suggestion played on by the marketing men, who have blown it all totally out of proportion as far as I am concerned.

    I also have to say that I don't own £30000 worth of CD, amp and speakers either, so whether it really makes a difference at that level I couldn't really say - I guess if you can afford that sort of money, then a few hundred quid on cable is neither here nor there.

    At budget to mid level, I'd say it makes no discernible difference, especially if you are comparing cables of similar spec.

    A few years ago I saw some "specialist" biwire cable in a hifi dealers - 4 cores (red, yellow, blue and black) in a black PVC outer sheath - it was something like £10/m.
    I'm sure it was just 3phase mains flex :)
     
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    I heard a difference when changing from bell wire to Cable Talk 3.1 but when I changed again to QED Silver Anniversary the only change I noticed was to my credit card statement.

    That's why whenever there are arguments about speaker cable I go and look at other threads instead.
     
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    I must say I heard a clear difference when changing from bell wire to QED79 strand many years ago (and that was with fairly inexpensive hifi).

    When I had an over enthusiastic treble problem (a.k.a. Mission 770Fs) I changed the QED79 to Rotel Supra 4 (many hundreds of very thin strands) and that definitely calmed the top end down a bit. It was a subtle change but worth it as the Supra 4 wasn't expensive.

    Generally I go for fairly inexpensive stuff - I use QED Silver now (£5 per metre?) which sounds great to me - I wouldn't want to spend any more than this. I'm the same with interconnects - I use IXOS 104s (£20) and they're just fine to my ears.

    Basically, I don't think you need to spend a fortune for good quality speaker cable, interconnects, SCART/Svideo leads etc.

    Matt.
     
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    you may hear bigger changes by trying a cable with a different build type. the biggest change and improvement I got was when I changed to kimber (woven strand) cable, and yes it was worth it and I would not change it.
     
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    I originally used a flat cable (can't remember which type) but then changed to QED 79 STRAND and have changed again to some DIY jobbies. CAT5e braided... so on and so forth.

    Each time I changed, I noticed what I would call an improvement in the sound stage and sound quality.

    Mind you, my best cable change was from a standard captured power lead on the DVD player to a Russ Andrews Yello Cable. WOWWEEEEE!! It's like the quality I would expect from a DVD player the cost a few hundreds more!!!

    :D :D :D
     
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    I agree with most of the posts that there is not much, if any, difference between the cables.

    What I don't agree is that you should even consider paying £1.5 per metre.

    You can find very good speakers cables in pro-audio supply shops. Try Studio Spares. They sell wide range of speaker cables for professional use and as you'll see professionals are certainly not thinking of paying anywhere near £1.5 p/m.

    For my own HT I bought a drum (100m) of Europa Speaker cable 2x2.5mm. Very good investment. It is so cheap that if at any time you are not happy, simply traw it away and by one of these £5 jobs.
     
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    My experience has been :-

    bi-wiring - naff all difference
    speaker cable - naff all difference
    interconnects - loads of difference, soundstage in particular improved and bass (or am I falling for Russ Andrews propoganda ?)
    Mains cables - buy as many as you can afford !!!!

    Anyway that's what I've found with fairly modest equipment, off to buy some more mains cables now.

    P.S. Best upgrade dump that CD player and buy a 1/2 decent turntable !
     
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    had a pair of mordaunt-short ms540 mono wired with about 40pence/metre bell wire type stuff,tried bi wiring no differance,changed to qed s/annv mono wired,the effect (to me) was a very slight increase in sound output, went to local dealer who only sells all the really dear stuff (m/logans-b&w referance etc) he suggested i use dnm reson 2 cable which is flat ribbon type cable and definately bi-wire, (ps i now have bw cdm1nt speakers) anyway chatting to other dealers re dnm reson cable as against s/ann etc most dealers thought s/ann could be a (bit treblely) anyway i have ordered some dnmreson2 cable to biwire fronts which will cost me £113 with the dnm banaplugs etc, dealer will post cable to me when made up, i hope i do get some benifit from this, if not any differance i will proberbly still use it as i already forked out the dosh
     

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