Change In Pet Theft Laws

FavouredAntelope

Active Member
What an appalling crime dog theft is. Yes there are obviously incredibly severe crimes against people which are recognised as such, but I can't think of any other crime where the penalty is so out of sync with the harm it causes.

Thieves are only stealing the dogs as if they are like an iPhone or bike, but it isn't an exaggeration to say the victim loses a family member. Some people will lapse into deep depressions because of it. I'm certain most dog owners would give the thief all of their positions rather than lose their best friend. In no other case of "theft" (which doesn't seem like a strong enough term) is the value of something so little to the criminal in comparison to the victim. Not to mention the animal itself of course. What a low, low crime.
 

Tempest

Distinguished Member
Another dog theft reported on my local NextDoor app :(

It kinda struck me, this is very typical of human created problems isn't it.
We have, let's say normal dogs, that general people are not really that interested in.
Hey you have a dog, that's nice and move on.
We then decide to impart value, and higher and higher monetary value onto dogs.
Others notice this high value of this 'item' and then steal these to then sell on to make money.

We've basically set out to create a problem that never really existed, and would never has existed if we'd not messed around with things in the 1st place.

I suppose now we'd going to have to go further and come up with solutions to fix the problem we've created.
Microchips won't work, pretty easy to find them and cut them out.
24/7 live trackers will work for a while till it's removed virtually instantly by the thief.
Higher level of punishment?
Seems a pretty safe crime unless there is a genuine high level nationwide database with up to date photos of all stolen dogs.

Shame we've gotten to this point.
Not quite sure how so many dogs are getting stolen. I mean when you have a god it's generally with you, or perhaps in the back garden, no?
Unless it's a general mutty type one, people would not let dogs just wander around would they.
 

NorvernRob

Distinguished Member
Another dog theft reported on my local NextDoor app :(

It kinda struck me, this is very typical of human created problems isn't it.
We have, let's say normal dogs, that general people are not really that interested in.
Hey you have a dog, that's nice and move on.
We then decide to impart value, and higher and higher monetary value onto dogs.
Others notice this high value of this 'item' and then steal these to then sell on to make money.

We've basically set out to create a problem that never really existed, and would never has existed if we'd not messed around with things in the 1st place.

I suppose now we'd going to have to go further and come up with solutions to fix the problem we've created.
Microchips won't work, pretty easy to find them and cut them out.
24/7 live trackers will work for a while till it's removed virtually instantly by the thief.
Higher level of punishment?
Seems a pretty safe crime unless there is a genuine high level nationwide database with up to date photos of all stolen dogs.

Shame we've gotten to this point.
Not quite sure how so many dogs are getting stolen. I mean when you have a god it's generally with you, or perhaps in the back garden, no?
Unless it's a general mutty type one, people would not let dogs just wander around would they.

They take them from gardens, houses, from people in the street. One was attempted close to here last week - a van pulled up in front of a car at some traffic lights, two blokes got out and threatened the woman driver, telling her to hand over her dog. When she refused they dragged her out of the car by her hair (open window) before being disturbed and making off empty handed. This was the middle of the day and in a decent area.
 

Tempest

Distinguished Member
They take them from gardens, houses, from people in the street. One was attempted close to here last week - a van pulled up in front of a car at some traffic lights, two blokes got out and threatened the woman driver, telling her to hand over her dog. When she refused they dragged her out of the car by her hair (open window) before being disturbed and making off empty handed. This was the middle of the day and in a decent area.

That's really shocking.
One would think to do something so brazen it would be planned or at least people who know exactly about dogs and how to recognise something with value that's worth the risk.

Perhaps I'm giving criminals too much intelligence here?
But I would have thought perhaps there is a need for something specific and they go out looking for it. Like Miss Jones in Aberdeen wants a Corgi and it willing to pay £800 so the team down in Bristol go out looking for a Corgi for her.
Again, I'm probably over estimating the logistics here, but that's how I'd do it.
Find a buyer, then go looking for what's wanted.
Dechip it, and deliver it to a customer far enough a way there's little chance of any comeback.
And of course there are different people doing the planning, stealing and delivering.
 

Miss Mandy

Moderator
They've probably got buyers lined up for pretty much any type of dog already, but if it's not a desirable breed that can be sold for a large sum or they can't find a buyer they'll use it as bait for fighting dogs, breeding dogs if they've not been fixed, etc.
 

Sloppy Bob

Distinguished Member
A friend of mine works aboard a superyacht as an engineer for a billionaire.

They've just employed a dog walker, and, apparently, he's former US special forces. The dogs are of course some kind of expensive pure breeds, but they also wear a pair of matching designer jewellery (BVLGARI?) collars that are worth a couple of million each.....

Seriously......
 

apolloa

Distinguished Member
A friend of mine works aboard a superyacht as an engineer for a billionaire.

They've just employed a dog walker, and, apparently, he's former US special forces. The dogs are of course some kind of expensive pure breeds, but they also wear a pair of matching designer jewellery (BVLGARI?) collars that are worth a couple of million each.....

Seriously......

Love it. I have seen in the US the rich spoil their dogs rotten. Buying them expensive jewellery and clothes. Although I bet he'd be in trouble if the collars broke and lost some of their diamonds!!
 

apolloa

Distinguished Member
Another dog theft reported on my local NextDoor app :(

It kinda struck me, this is very typical of human created problems isn't it.
We have, let's say normal dogs, that general people are not really that interested in.
Hey you have a dog, that's nice and move on.
We then decide to impart value, and higher and higher monetary value onto dogs.
Others notice this high value of this 'item' and then steal these to then sell on to make money.

We've basically set out to create a problem that never really existed, and would never has existed if we'd not messed around with things in the 1st place.

I suppose now we'd going to have to go further and come up with solutions to fix the problem we've created.
Microchips won't work, pretty easy to find them and cut them out.
24/7 live trackers will work for a while till it's removed virtually instantly by the thief.
Higher level of punishment?
Seems a pretty safe crime unless there is a genuine high level nationwide database with up to date photos of all stolen dogs.

Shame we've gotten to this point.
Not quite sure how so many dogs are getting stolen. I mean when you have a god it's generally with you, or perhaps in the back garden, no?
Unless it's a general mutty type one, people would not let dogs just wander around would they.

It's simply supply and demand, since lockdown dog sales have gone through the roof, the demand was there, so criminals made the supply and was easy money for them, remember the penalty is next to nothing, it's treated the same as mobile phone theft.
 

Delvey

Distinguished Member
One is made from cheaper parts, uses less bits, takes less time to put together, so it's a cheaper product.
The expensive car has to cost more, as it's more expensive to make, with more higher quality parts, and takes longer to assemble.
Nonsense.
But that's another story.
As for jail time for pet thefts. I'm all for it.
But considering that you can sexually assault someone nowadays and get a suspended sentence for it makes me think it will never happen.
 

Barbs77

Distinguished Member
Thought as we have had a influx of new members they might like to take a few minutes to read and sign up to this and make it happen.
 
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