Discussion in 'Sport' started by HMHB, Aug 25, 2005.
Liverpool and Chelsea are in the same group, what a surprise
Damn, you're quick!
not implying its a fix are you ? lol
i half expected rangers in our group plus some one in eastern europe
i knew this was coming but bring them on we will just knock them out again
Champions League draw
(Top seeds in bold, British teams in capitals)
Group stage begins 13/14 September.
Can't wait for it to start although i think it'll be tough for us to progress from our group
Man Utd have a cake walk to the next round!
i dont get suprised by this anymore seems to happen year after year
Arsenal have the easiest time....now or never
Villarreal with Forlan and Riquelme could do damage to Utd...
Liverpool - depends what team shows up. The team that bossed Juve in 1st half at Anfield and scored 3 goals in CL final or the Liverpool team that promises but doesn't deliver
As for Chelski...public enemy No1 >>>
I read in paper with John Terry serialising his book. CL semi-final v my team Mourinho wrote in dressing room 33 points - the diff between us in Prem. Terry said the team thought it was theirs, esp after Barca. 2nd semi in a row. Then he cried at the final whistle
raigraphixs, change the english teams and 1 scottish team to bold font?
Thun???? what the fudge?
As an avid football fan, I am starting to get bored of the CL 1st round group stage.
95% of the time the 2 teams you expect to qualify do, so it is basically just an excuse to play loads of games and lift the TV revenue for UEFA & the clubs.
The competiton only gets going in round2, so why don't UEFA scrap the 1st round groups and make it knock-out, and then bring back the 2nd round groups where nearly every game will be a big one.
I mean people are saying that Benfica and Villarreal will provide opposition for Man Utd. No they won't !! Utd will qualify top easily.
As a Madrid fan I am disappointed - no decent game at all and will probably qualify for round 2 after game 4.
I believe that if they brought back the group stage to round 2 when only decent sides are left in it, then you end up will a better eventual winner since the chance of a team getting through to the final for winning 3 games is gone.
Its OK as it is. Chance of upset in round 1 group stage. Round 2 is a knockout stage, so changing it, would make competition too short
Take out a stage to make it easier for Madrid to win their 1st trophy in 2 years?!
you think teams like FC Thun and bratislava etc are going to complain ???? this revenue will save the club from dying
Yes it is about the money, but its ridiculous every year a supporter of "top" team complains about playing "minnows":
Only one team in that list was one of faves, in the respective year. now lets make the whole sport forum about LFC....
I am just suggesting that as viewing entertainment goes, the 1st group stage is generally a foregone conclusion in most cases. I have been watching football for many, many years and I feel that the CL competition is losing its appeal to hardcore football fans (all the ones I speak to anyway).
Now, thats not saying that I want the smaller clubs out of the competition. If you are going to let them in, then let them in properly. I mean the Irish champions (and champions from smaller leagues) have to play 3 games just to get to the 1st round. Considering most of the teams at this level are semi-professional they don't stand a chance. If you want to argue about the money that the CL will bring in for the smaller clubs then you can't argue with giving some to them all.
My point about a 2nd group stage (which did exist before by the way) making the cream rise is shown by the last 2 winners. I am sure that Liverpool fans will take exception with this, but they were not the best team in the competition last year by a long way (and most people will agree with this). Fair play to them for winning it and perhaps they showed the limitations of the so-called 'big clubs'.
Same goes for Porto. I was at the Final that year and enjoyed their trip to it, watching great players like Carvalho & Ferreira to name but two plus the win v Man Utd, but I also watched their games v Madrid when they were made to look like litle boys. Again definitely not the best team in it that year.
But if you had 2 x 2nd round groups consisting of 8 teams such as Madrid, Bayern, AC Milan, Chelsea, Juventus, Barcelona, Man Utd, Inter - then every game is a big one and watching them unfold over the space of a couple of months will be very interesting and make for great viewing.
To finish on, as for taking out a round to make it easier for Madrid to win their 1st trophy in 2 years - witty but unnecessary. I am a real football fan who appreciates that every team has their up-and-downs. Yes there has been 2 bad seasons. There may be 2 more without a trophy. I will still be a fan. I had the pleasure to actually be at the 3 finals they won in 5 years and I am sure that I will be at more in the future.
The Teddy Bears will march onto the 2nd stage
Thank you sir, but I was being tongue in cheek. Nothing personal by it
Nice idea, but it would be spread over too much of a period of time, and fans would lose interest
The current format allows 3rd/4th place teams a target to strive for and to develop themselves. Also it means players are more willing to join them. Making the CL exclusive to the top 2 of each league is an ideal, but would mean they would have 1st say on transfers and money matters
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