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Champions League

Discussion in 'Sport' started by HMHB, Aug 25, 2005.

  1. HMHB

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    Liverpool and Chelsea are in the same group, what a surprise :rolleyes:
     
  2. FruitBat

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    Damn, you're quick!
     
  3. neilo

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    not implying its a fix are you ? lol :eek:
     
  4. Kopite4Ever

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    fixed !

    i half expected rangers in our group plus some one in eastern europe

    i knew this was coming but bring them on we will just knock them out again
     
  5. raigraphixs

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    Champions League draw

    GROUP A
    Bayern Munich
    Juventus
    Club Brugge
    Rapid Vienna

    GROUP B
    ARSENAL
    Ajax
    Sparta Prague
    Thun

    GROUP C
    Barcelona
    Panathinaikos
    Werder Bremen
    Udinese

    GROUP D
    MAN UTD
    Villarreal
    Lille
    Benfica

    GROUP E
    AC Milan
    PSV Eindhoven
    Schalke
    Fenerbahce

    GROUP F
    Real Madrid
    Lyon
    Olympiakos
    Rosenborg

    GROUP G
    LIVERPOOL
    CHELSEA
    Anderlecht
    Real Betis

    GROUP H
    Inter Milan
    Porto
    RANGERS
    Artmedia Bratislava

    (Top seeds in bold, British teams in capitals)

    #
    Group stage begins 13/14 September.
     
  6. Adrenochrome

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    Can't wait for it to start:thumbsup: although i think it'll be tough for us to progress from our group :(
     
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    Man Utd have a cake walk to the next round!
     
  8. Kopite4Ever

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    i dont get suprised by this anymore seems to happen year after year :rolleyes:
     
  9. Steven

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    Arsenal have the easiest time....now or never :rolleyes:

    Villarreal with Forlan and Riquelme could do damage to Utd...

    Liverpool - depends what team shows up. The team that bossed Juve in 1st half at Anfield and scored 3 goals in CL final or the Liverpool team that promises but doesn't deliver

    As for Chelski...public enemy No1 >>>

    I read in paper with John Terry serialising his book. CL semi-final v my team Mourinho wrote in dressing room 33 points - the diff between us in Prem. Terry said the team thought it was theirs, esp after Barca. 2nd semi in a row. Then he cried at the final whistle :D

    raigraphixs, change the english teams and 1 scottish team to bold font?
     
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    Thun???? what the fudge?

    Branny
     
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    As an avid football fan, I am starting to get bored of the CL 1st round group stage.

    95% of the time the 2 teams you expect to qualify do, so it is basically just an excuse to play loads of games and lift the TV revenue for UEFA & the clubs.

    The competiton only gets going in round2, so why don't UEFA scrap the 1st round groups and make it knock-out, and then bring back the 2nd round groups where nearly every game will be a big one.

    I mean people are saying that Benfica and Villarreal will provide opposition for Man Utd. No they won't !! Utd will qualify top easily.

    As a Madrid fan I am disappointed - no decent game at all and will probably qualify for round 2 after game 4.

    I believe that if they brought back the group stage to round 2 when only decent sides are left in it, then you end up will a better eventual winner since the chance of a team getting through to the final for winning 3 games is gone.
     
  12. Steven

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    Its OK as it is. Chance of upset in round 1 group stage. Round 2 is a knockout stage, so changing it, would make competition too short

    Take out a stage to make it easier for Madrid to win their 1st trophy in 2 years?! :eek: :rotfl:
     
  13. Kopite4Ever

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    you think teams like FC Thun and bratislava etc are going to complain ???? this revenue will save the club from dying
     
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    Yes it is about the money, but its ridiculous every year a supporter of "top" team complains about playing "minnows":

    CL winners:
    2005: Liverpool
    2004: Porto
    2003: Milan

    Only one team in that list was one of faves, in the respective year. now lets make the whole sport forum about LFC....
     
  15. RMCF

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    I am just suggesting that as viewing entertainment goes, the 1st group stage is generally a foregone conclusion in most cases. I have been watching football for many, many years and I feel that the CL competition is losing its appeal to hardcore football fans (all the ones I speak to anyway).

    Now, thats not saying that I want the smaller clubs out of the competition. If you are going to let them in, then let them in properly. I mean the Irish champions (and champions from smaller leagues) have to play 3 games just to get to the 1st round. Considering most of the teams at this level are semi-professional they don't stand a chance. If you want to argue about the money that the CL will bring in for the smaller clubs then you can't argue with giving some to them all.

    My point about a 2nd group stage (which did exist before by the way) making the cream rise is shown by the last 2 winners. I am sure that Liverpool fans will take exception with this, but they were not the best team in the competition last year by a long way (and most people will agree with this). Fair play to them for winning it and perhaps they showed the limitations of the so-called 'big clubs'.

    Same goes for Porto. I was at the Final that year and enjoyed their trip to it, watching great players like Carvalho & Ferreira to name but two plus the win v Man Utd, but I also watched their games v Madrid when they were made to look like litle boys. Again definitely not the best team in it that year.

    But if you had 2 x 2nd round groups consisting of 8 teams such as Madrid, Bayern, AC Milan, Chelsea, Juventus, Barcelona, Man Utd, Inter - then every game is a big one and watching them unfold over the space of a couple of months will be very interesting and make for great viewing.

    To finish on, as for taking out a round to make it easier for Madrid to win their 1st trophy in 2 years - witty but unnecessary. I am a real football fan who appreciates that every team has their up-and-downs. Yes there has been 2 bad seasons. There may be 2 more without a trophy. I will still be a fan. I had the pleasure to actually be at the 3 finals they won in 5 years and I am sure that I will be at more in the future.
     
  16. Kenny Glasgow

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    The Teddy Bears will march onto the 2nd stage :clap:
     
  17. Steven

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    Thank you sir, but I was being tongue in cheek. Nothing personal by it

    Nice idea, but it would be spread over too much of a period of time, and fans would lose interest

    The current format allows 3rd/4th place teams a target to strive for and to develop themselves. Also it means players are more willing to join them. Making the CL exclusive to the top 2 of each league is an ideal, but would mean they would have 1st say on transfers and money matters
     

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