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Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by delta, Aug 2, 2001.

  1. delta

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    I use Kef Q55's as my Front Main speakers and the Kef Q95 Centre speaker via my Yamaha A1X amp. I am not completely happy with the Q95, it sometimes sounds 'hollow' or 'boxy'. Can anyone please advise me on how to get its optimum setting or a better alternative Centre?
     
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    If it helps, search the forum for 'centre speakers'. I did.<br />I'm just about to buy my KEF Model 100 to replace my KEF 80c.<br />I would go for the Big Boy 200c, but my room and budget don't justify it.<br />Chat to Nic Rhodes and the KEF rep that pops in and out here for better advice.<br />The 100 seems to be a parred down version of the 200. So it should be a winner. Or the 200 was born of the 100 I should say!<br />The 100 can be had from Superfi for £250 + p&p.<br /><a href="http://www.superfi.co.uk" target="_blank">www.superfi.co.uk</a> for more info. They have an 0800 no. for phone orders.
     
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    Ive got q65's and use a 100 center with these.<br />This is in no way boxy or light.<br />Its also physicaly very heavy.<br />The only thing i have found is that its designed to be used with the cover on.As it sounds very bright without.(its a metal grill type thing).<br />Where as the q65's sound better to me minus covers.<br />Youll be happy with the q100 center im sure
     
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    I have demo'ed the Kef 100,200 and TDM (THX) 23c and bought the TDM. In my opinion (and i would of bought any of the above) i found that for vocal duties in a dedicated H.C set-up that the TDM excelled in it's ability to work from a quiet to "extremely" loud output without changing it's tonal quality or timbre not one jot (extremely impressive) this is of course one of the THX design requirements. Whilst the 200 may suit a multi-channel music set-up more with it's wide dispertion design in no way did it have a more authoritive bottom end and i did not find the top to be markedly "sweeter", what i did however find was, that both the 100 and 200 had what i would call a dramatic change in tonal "qualities" the harder you drove them which while at no time offensive i simply found i was aware of the center's as the volume went up (these inconsistancys may be attributable to an amps output but they were all demo'ed using a Yamaha A1 so it was "fair" across the board and i am sure the A1's output is at the least reasonably muscular).<br />Kef tdm23c £400 and IMHO one of the best kept center speaker secret's about. You owe it to yourself to at least demo it. There are plenty of other tdm users here who would testify satisfaction.<br />A great center.
     
  5. delta

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    Thanks guys, interesting info, which I appreciate.I will phone my dealer and make sure he has at least the 200 and the TDM for me to hear before I decide.
     
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    Delta.

    My KEF 100's arrival is imminent.<br />I know you're prob looking at the 200 or other but I'll let you know how I find it after I've had it a few days, and blasted it to bits over the weekend of course. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
     
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    Thanks General sir! I'll look forward to it!
     
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    Ok, it arrived toady about 12. I've only had a chance for quick impressions as it were so here goes. And I haven't re-read past posts so as it's as accurate as I can make it.

    Firstly, it's heavy, about 6kilos. Feels meaty and solid. It has bi-wire binding posts. It's rear ported and also has mounting screw threads for stands/brackets whatever if you should need to put it elsewhere.<br />Straight out of the box it sounds ok. Compared to my KEF 80c it is certainly a more mature speaker. The 80c seemed more shouty.<br />The 100 has a reputation for smoothness which I'd agree with. Certainly a more luxurious sound than the 80c. Not slow or ponderous, just richer. Clarity is there also. I was worried I'd lose that as the 80c, even though 5 years old and designed as a budget speaker is very clear and articulate. Glad to say the 100 is the same, if not better.

    Overall, an improvement that will get better in time as it runs in. Soundfield is fuller and better, definately a higher quality sound. I'm happy. The improvement is not chalk and cheese as when I changed from 60s to Q15, but it's there and it should get much, much better. I'll play more on Sunday and let you know how it gets on with all sorts of stuff, mono to DD 5.1 etc.

    So far, 10/10 for intial markings.

    So, the 200 'should' by comparison be a hit too.

    Bought from Superfi Monday at £250. 200 is £550 with free p+p.

    [ 09-08-2001: Message edited by: General Skanky ]</p>
     
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    Thanks for your quick reply. You seem pleased with the 100 and as it is £300 cheaper than the 200 it is likely I would go for the 100. We have a Superfi in Stockport and one in Manchester so first chance I get I will go there and have an audition.

    Again thanks for your advice, I'll keep an eye on this thread. Have fun over the weekend.
     
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    General

    You'll be wanting the tweeter mod next then <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
     
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    With the mod which tweeter do you change it for?<br />Reference series??

    I have Kef Rdm1´s as fronts & rears and assumed they had the same tweeters as the Model 100.Maybe i could mod these as well.

    Correct me if i´m wrong!

    cheers
     
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    Hi Guys,

    Just thought I'd pop in and congratulate you all for the superb advice which is being exchanged.<br />General, I am glad you enjoy the M100, however give a little more time to "bed-in" and I'm sure the performance will be a lot better.<br />Just thought I'd also point out that the M100 was the very first centre speaker to be produced by any manufacturer here in the UK back in 1993.<br />Just proves that even though it is an early design it can still out perform other leading competition. Obviously the latest version has been balanced to our current Reference series and will continue to be the preffered choice along with the M200 for our flagship range.<br />Please note though guys, we do not offer a HF upgrade for this model, the 25mm silk dome tweeter is the same across the board and there are no better versions available.

    Keep up the good work guys..

    Best Regards

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    Ron beat me to the punch! The RDM is an excellent speaker, the treble and mid-range are superb, obviously it will not have the low frequency extension of the KEF floorstander speakers but judicious selection of a subwoofer will make up for that. As I mentioned in an earlier thread I wasn't sure if the latest M100's had the better quality tweeter from the Reference range, Ron has now confirmed that it has so it's even better value now than before.
     
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    I have to admit the RDM´s are excellent speakers but like you say bass extension is lacking, they roll off about 100hz. I have them matched with a REL q200, whilst not the most musical sub about it certainly does the job with AV.

    Also my Model 100 is one of the new ones so looks like i´ve got the better tweeter anyway <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

    cheers
     
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    If you are looking to get the best out of the RDM's and have the partnering equipment to match you might want to try using CableTalk Concert 2.1 speaker cable it's a very good match for the KEF Reference speakers at a sensible price (£8/m, 2,122pts/m). If you haven't got a local dealer give CableTalk a call they offer a mail order service. <a href="http://www.cabletalk.co.uk" target="_blank">www.cabletalk.co.uk</a>
     
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    I am also thinking of getting the 100 Centre speaker as an upgrade to my existing Model 90 Centre (Old KEF).

    Would the change be noticable??

    I am looking for your help as I do not have access to many good dealers here in my part of the world.
     
  18. General Skanky

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    suitsy,

    I haven't heard the 90, but I'd hazard a guess that it wouldn't be that great an improvement. In your case, I'd say spend the cash and go to the 200.<br />I'm getting used to my 100 after a couple of days and I hear the differences. However, that was against a budget model 80. 100 vrs. 90 would be much less of a difference I would assume as they are the same part of the family tree. It really depends on the ratio of price/performance you are prepared to pay to improve upon what you already have, from which I understand is a good speaker in it's own right. <br />What else are you considering?

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    At the moment I'm only looking at the KEF family.<br />I'd love the TDM Centre as I'm already close to getting the TDM Rears. But the size and price of the TDM centre is puting me off a bit at the moment. In time I will need something to go with the TDM rears though.

    Currently my other speakers are Coda9 fronts, Model 60 Rears the Model 90 Centre and Q201E Sub with a Yamaha A2 Amp.
     
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    I cant comment on the 200 but i can say that the TDM centre definately blows away the 100. i own a 100 and have recently upgraded to the entire tdm range and i must say, as i have in the past, that i have never been as immediately impressed with a HC purchace as i am with this. (though i believe i can do better in the sub department as i have posted before)<br />it made an large and immediate improvement to my sound. and the dialogue clarity of the tdm centre is very impressive i have not in my experiance heard better. i agree that it is the best kept secret centre speaker in HC and i urge people to at least give it an audition if you plan to upgrade to this kind of level.<br />It is however particularily massive and wont fit atop most conventional CRT monitors. it could also be considered fairly expensive but i defy anyone to simply take a look at it and not realise that you get a lot of speaker for the money. <br />some peole i realise have an aversion to the fact that its THX branded but dont let that put you off give it a listen i defy you not to be impressed.

    nathan
     
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    Where are you in Cumbria? Email me. I have a 200 and TDM rears (2 pairs). You are welcome to pop over and have a peak but we are in Chaos and nothing is permanent. Hoping for a house movve and CRT projector..
     
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    Thanks for the info about the cables, currently i´m using Chord Carnival, bi-wired to all speakers apart from rear centres. The amp i´m using is the Denon A1SE. At the moment the weakest link is the dvd player, i have the Toshiba Sd210 (bloody good picture considering the price of the unit & also a Panasonic A360) Ive got my eye on the Arcam DV27 or a new Denon 5000, if they ever get round to replacing it!

    cheers
     
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    Ok, fao Delta.................

    The KEF 100 so far after 1 week-ish.<br />It's single wired to a Yamaha A2 at the high freq. terminals. It's under the TV but at a good height. Been in use a lot to help it run in.

    Quite simply it's a vast improvement over the 80c.<br />I put the 80c back for a quick comparison, wow, what a difference. It lost out in everything.<br />Different class all together. At first I thought the difference was less, but now I see it's more than I thought.<br />Test material used....

    Assault on Precinct 13 opening music titles. The 100 had a lot more bass and presence and put forward a 'butch' sound in comparison to the 80c.

    The Matrix. Just brilliant really all round.

    Alien on PAL LD. The 80c vibrated a lot with audio from this film. The 100 cruised it. Vast improvement. The film was much more enjoyable.

    The news on TV! Odd I know but as it's dialogue I thought why not? Again better. Don't know how to quantify it, but when the 80c went back in, the sound shrank back. That's the best I can describe it.

    So, along with other test stuff I'd give it a big thumbs up.

    If you are looking at the 200 or THX centre, then from my own expriences, I'd say you are onto a surefire winner. Have you done any auditions yet and what are your own opinions?<br />From the perceived quality of my centre, you really can't go wrong with the KEF family. Brilliant products really.<br />I knew the 100 to be an old design, but it's simple and very effective at a good price. So good luck in your own set up mate. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

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    Yesterday we auditioned various speakers and makes, but at the end of it the Kef 100 was the one we liked best. Certainly the more expensive models are better but the 100 is that bit better than the 95, especially on dialogue and flexibilty, and that is all that is needed, so it will be the 100. It feels right if you know what I mean. Thanks for your inputs and advice, I do appreciate it because you made me think before I took the plunge.
     
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    £250. Are you after a rear centre for 6.1? <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

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    Now I've got a difficult decision to make.

    Nic invited me round to his house to listen to the Model 200 Centre and the TDM Rears. (Very impressive system, valves and all) Thanks for that Nic.

    I like the TDM rears now more than ever and I want a pair of those.<br />But now you tell me I can also get a Model 100 Centre for £250, too good to miss.<br />Going for the Centre and Rears is a bit outside the budget (wife and kids) but passing up a chance like this to get the 100 centre...???

    I think I'm going to be in trouble with the wife within the next few days...!!!
     
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    That'll teach you to get into AV! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <br />Use the 'quality is always worth it, that's why I married you dear' line.<br /> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
     
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    I'm still on the lookout for a good deal on some TDM rears. If anybody comes accross some at a good price let us know.

    Rob.
     

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