Celebs on Trial

Egg White

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sad state of affairs - but it seems that's how it was back in the 60s etc...

looks at some of the songs - sweet 16 etc... I was listening to a dave burland folk song (shape of a girl) and that's about underage sex, the beatles chatting up school girls...sadly it was the norm...
 

krish

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Not sure it's actually stopped with respect to the tabloids and their "all grown up" stories.

Underage groupie and "casting couch" activity has always been known, but a switch seems to have been flicked in the last 5 years and the public is now thoroughly outraged over something that might have previously had a nudge nudge wink wink reaction.
 
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Not sure it's actually stopped with respect to the tabloids and their "all grown up" stories.

Underage groupie and "casting couch" activity has always been known, but a switch seems to have been flicked in the last 5 years and the public is now thoroughly outraged over something that might have previously had a nudge nudge wink wink reaction.

I'm not sure that I feel that this is the case tbh. I would agree that attitudes have shifted over the years, and that opinions to things change. I think your statement would be true of say, patting someone on the arse or wolf-whistling at a girl, but I don't think that celebs, or anyone else for that matter touching up schoolgirls/boys has ever been described as 'nudge nudge wink wink'. A Benny Hill sketch it aint.
 

Saldawop

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I saw a video of Freddie Starr, after it being reported that he will not be charged with anything, having it hanging over his head for two years. Looks like a broken man.
 

BB3Lions

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I saw a video of Freddie Starr, after it being reported that he will not be charged with anything, having it hanging over his head for two years. Looks like a broken man.


Agreed, certainly took its toll. Mud sticks, poor fella.
 

krish

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I'm not sure that I feel that this is the case tbh. I would agree that attitudes have shifted over the years, and that opinions to things change. I think your statement would be true of say, patting someone on the arse or wolf-whistling at a girl, but I don't think that celebs, or anyone else for that matter touching up schoolgirls/boys has ever been described as 'nudge nudge wink wink'. A Benny Hill sketch it aint.
I think perving/leching over underage girls definitely was excused by that sort of attitude .... isn't it the basis of St Trinians? The Sunday or Daily Sport (or possibly even the Star when they linked up with those papers) ran a daily countdown to when a 15 year old girl would turn 16 and legally pose topless in the paper (age since raised to 18).

The climate was perfect for predators and the press and public were complicit to some degree.

Just around the time the Savile scandal was breaking I watched a 2004 made Led Zeppelin documentary on Sky Arts 1 ... featured in it heavily, but no different to all the other talking heads, was Jimmy Page's girlfriend from the early 70s, Lori Maddox ... a 14 year old groupie when he started the relationship. This 2004 doc just presented it as something normal and she was just another commentator in what was a celebratory programme.
 

Egg White

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then you get other countrys where the age of consent is much lower than ours, not sure, but aren't some countrys around 12 - 13 years old? holland for example?
 

Sloppy Bob

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In a lot of Europe the age of consent is between 14 and 16 but there are other laws that surround them which vary such as the age difference, if the junior partner is being taken advantage of and if the older person is in a position of authority such as a teacher etc.
 

Cliff

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Not sure it's actually stopped with respect to the tabloids and their "all grown up" stories.

Underage groupie and "casting couch" activity has always been known, but a switch seems to have been flicked in the last 5 years and the public is now thoroughly outraged over something that might have previously had a nudge nudge wink wink reaction.

Agree about the switch.
Now, if a girl is 15.9 years old, it is condemned as pedophile activity and you can be banged up for God knows how long.
Most of the celebs, rock stars where not weird or perverts. JS was and there are others, but lets not tar everyone with the same brush.
 

liamt

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^^^ of course that was when The Sun still hated gays

I remember tabloids attacking Chris Morris' Brass Eye Special whilst also running articles on Charlotte Church's maturing figure (not everyone got Brass Eye, as an illustrious member demonstrated :facepalm:).

love chris morris. brass eye was brilliant (as was the mock TV news show i cant remember the name of)

i do wonder why so many rock stars can sleep with young lasses but then i guess its quite different. these lasses would queue up to sleep with rock stars yet hall etc were predatory in trying to get them alone to pounce. i still think the consent thing holds some sway for a judge.

lets not forget Traci Lords, the underage porn star that nobody realised was that young.
 

hippo99

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Was it The Day Today? I think Chris Morris was on that.

The age gap is also something that the judge considers- eg a 15 year old with an 18 year old isn't the same as a 15 year old with a 30 year old.
 

liamt

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thats it. brilliant show. i have both on DVD :)
 

SteveCritten

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Have to agree there was less stigma about it back then ie 15.5 to 15.9 obviously if you are talking younger it's got to be considered perverse but there is always going to be that line where they look older etc.
Yes when I was 16/17 myself if a girl told me she was 16 I wouldn't ask for a copy of her birth certificate but then again if I did find out she was under 16 I would drop her like a stone as even back in the late 70s early 80s I knew I would be in bother. As for teachers or people in similar authoritive roles in their mid 20s and above it should be a more stringent sentence than it is, total manipulation if you ask me.
But also as Krish was saying about the media being complicit I remember the whole Lucy Pinder countdown and a couple of others, when you look back if it happened now they would be strung up too? Shouldn't they be on trial?
 

krish

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The reluctance to admit this was the open behaviour of the press and entertainment industry back then is like a collective amnesia or airbrushing from history. Like the removal of controversial language from old sitcoms.
 

Egg White

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America is sending a Special Forces unit to find the kidnapped Nigerian schoolgirls.

Britain is sending Stuart Hall, Max Clifford, Rolf Harris, and Dave Lee Travis.
 

hippo99

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I know it's a joke, but probably not fair to prejudge the outcomes of Rolf Harris, and Dave Lee Travis' trials yet :smashin:
 

Philly112

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The Sunday or Daily Sport (or possibly even the Star when they linked up with those papers) ran a daily countdown to when a 15 year old girl would turn 16 and legally pose topless in the paper (age since raised to 18).

.

Lindsey Dawn MacKenzie, now a respectable porn star.

Nice.

Phil
 

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