There have been several threads recently regarding the purchasing of second hand TAG equipment. Most of the equipment that I have is second hand, usually bought from the TMA second hand site. I have found the people from whom I purchased the items, to be honest, and in every case the goods were shipped and received in good order. There have been recent threads, whereby a DVD players was returned due to a 'cheap looking remote', and another where there was a big discussion over the state of the door opening mechanism, ( I didn't realise you could audition equipment purhased from e-bay)! My DVD player has a silver puck and a silver spindle, old firmware, it has worked beautifully for the past two years, and ironically it is my twelve month old AV192R bought new, which has packed up. I recently bid on a pair of B & O Beolab 8000 speakers from e-bay. The vendor stated that these were new and boxed, however I was pretty sure from the specs, that they were an older version of the ones currently available. However I was prepared to put up with not having the small improvement to the bass output, to save over £800. I do not blame the vendor from not mentioning the fact. One should remember that at a price well under £2000 for a DVD player that is listed at over £5K, it may well not be the latest spec on the firmware side, but at least it will be up to date on the software, which thanks to the old TMA is upgradeable, and is still a very fine machine. P.S. I was outbid on the speakers!