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Rob8980

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The old man is looking to but a new car. Not new but maybe nearly new and not older than 3 years. Here are his requirements

Must be an estate.
He does about 10k a year (retired so all personal mileage)
Doesn't mind diesel or petrol
Is looking for something more comfortable rather than sporty/hard riding
Reasonably quick
He will probably keep it until the wheels fall of .
Budget of up to 15k
 

FZR400RRSP

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Rob8980 said:
The old man is looking to but a new car. Not new but maybe nearly new and not older than 3 years. Here are his requirements

Must be an estate.
He does about 10k a year (retired so all personal mileage)
Doesn't mind diesel or petrol
Is looking for something more comfortable rather than sporty/hard riding
Reasonably quick
He will probably keep it until the wheels fall of .
Budget of up to 15k
I'd suggest a used Kia sportage (new model) or Hyundai ix35 for that money.
Both will have long warranties left (5 years for Hyundai and 7 years for Kia)
They're offroad styled hatchback/estate cars, so are easy to get in/out of and are comfy to drive.
They are effectively the same car, the 1.7 diesel 2wd models would be my pick.
 

Rob8980

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Not looked at the hyundai/ Kia I'll have a google and take a look. The a4 range is very confusing. Which would be the comfortable version?
 

FZR400RRSP

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Rob8980 said:
The a4 range is very confusing. Which would be the comfortable version?
SE.
An S-line will make him pee blood.
Trouble is, S-line is the best looking spec.
SE are a bit boring outside and in.
 

Rob8980

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How about the allroad is that an option? Is it any more comfortable than the regular a4 or is it a bit of neither one thing nor the other.
 

un1eash

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New shape skoda superb estate.
 

Rob8980

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Just had a look on the auto trader we'd site. The only Superb estates that fall within budget within 100 miles all seem to be equipped with the 1.4 turbo engine. This seems like a very small engine to lug around such a big car. Does anyone have any experience of this engine?
 

FZR400RRSP

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Rob8980 said:
Just had a look on the auto trader we'd site. The only Superb estates that fall within budget within 100 miles all seem to be equipped with the 1.4 turbo engine. This seems like a very small engine to lug around such a big car. Does anyone have any experience of this engine?
Yes, it's awful.
Google for problems and you'll find quite a few, mostly seeming to revolve around the coil packs and ecu software upgrades.
We rejected a terribly unreliable 1.4tsi scirocco.
We're talking actual breakdowns here, not just minor faults.
All ignition and ecu related.
And I believe it's being ditched from the VAG line up soon, to be replaced with a 1.6 turbo.
It hasn't been out long and is being replaced already?
Hmmmm.......
 

NewBeetle

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Just had a look on the auto trader we'd site. The only Superb estates that fall within budget within 100 miles all seem to be equipped with the 1.4 turbo engine. This seems like a very small engine to lug around such a big car. Does anyone have any experience of this engine?
Oh he never went there did he? :facepalm:

Yes, it's awful.
Google for problems and you'll find quite a few, mostly seeming to revolve around the coil packs and ecu software upgrades.
We rejected a terribly unreliable 1.4tsi scirocco.
We're talking actual breakdowns here, not just minor faults.
All ignition and ecu related.
And I believe it's being ditched from the VAG line up soon, to be replaced with a 1.6 turbo.
It hasn't been out long and is being replaced already?
Hmmmm.......
Yes, it seems he did :rotfl:
 

Rob8980

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Ok maybe I'll tell him to avoid the 1.4 engine based on that less than glowing review :) just noticed that there is a diesel Superb with the 2.0 170 bhp engine that may be in budget if we do some negotiation. It has the DSG gearbox. Anyone got any good or bad opinions on that engine?
 

FZR400RRSP

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Rob8980 said:
It has the DSG gearbox. Anyone got any good or bad opinions on that engine?
Engine's ok.
But I'll sum up a couple of opinions on the dsg gearbox.
Gibbsy thinks its wonderful (several heart signs after any mention of it)
I think it's awful (had one for 3 years)
Beware the 170 may (I stress may) suffer from DPF problems if he doesn't give it a good run every now and then.
IMO if he's considering an Audi a4 he might as well look at a 3-series touring BMW too.
Either the 318d or 320d.
Same engine, but different power outputs.
Proper auto options on both too.
Having owned an A4, an A3 sportback and now two 3-series, I know which I think are the better cars and I can't see me returning to Audi until they significantly improve their driving dynamics.
 
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Rob8980

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Thanks that's good info to know. I guess the DSG thing is just to give it a try and see how you like it. I would say that he does do a lot of short journeys so maybe the diesel might not be the right choice. Just showed him some pictures of the Kia/ Hyundai and he thinks they would be to tall for my mum (who is only short) to get into so he is not considering them, but thanks for the suggestion.
 

Drd

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I am looking at much the same list of cars to move our dog around. I test drove a Superb estate with the 170/DSG combination and it was very good. The reason I'm not buying one is because in the flesh it's ENORMOUS. I glanced in the mirror and it was like being at the front of a coach. I suspect parking one of these in your average car-parking space would be a challenge even for those of us who consider ourselves skilled drivers. The sportage/ix35 is where were going now, having test driven a manual 1.7 2WD with ind/media packs which was very pleasant, though I want 4WD so will be looking for a 2.0.

We did look at a Pug 3008 which gets rave reviews and was very impressive. It was perhaps the most comfortable of the cars we've looked at. We dismissed it as we thought the boot was not quite big enough and I felt it didn't have the performance that I would like, but if your dad isn't bothered by rapid acceleration it may suit him.
 
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FZR400RRSP

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Rob8980 said:
Thanks that's good info to know. I guess the DSG thing is just to give it a try and see how you like it. I would say that he does do a lot of short journeys so maybe the diesel might not be the right choice. Just showed him some pictures of the Kia/ Hyundai and he thinks they would be to tall for my mum (who is only short) to get into so he is not considering them, but thanks for the suggestion.
I wouldn't dismiss diesels altogether.
Some manufacturers seem to be able to cope with DPF and short journeys.
Some don't.
It would be a shame to tar all diesels with one manufacturer's brush.
I can only go with my own experience, and no DPF problems at all in 4 years of 3-series BMW ownership.

Yes, DSG is a marmite option.
Whilst I'm part of a minority in thinking its a bit of a joke gearbox, I'm not alone either.
 
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Rob8980

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Just been looking on auto trader (again) and I didn't realise how many 3 series touring fall into budget. I assumed they would all still be to expensive. The petrol ones in particular seem to have lost a lot of money. As he is going to keep this car a long time the affect of depreciation is not as important. Does anyone have any opinions on the BMW 2.0l petrol engine? Or better still driven both the diesel and petrol and have an opinion. Also which would be the comfortable option. Is it best to dismiss everything with m sport in it's name? Thanks
 

Drd

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Personally I think I'd be hard pushed to call any BMW 'comfortable', I'd refer to them as 'sporty/hard riding'.:D
 

FZR400RRSP

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Drd said:
Personally I think I'd be hard pushed to call any BMW 'comfortable', I'd refer to them as 'sporty/hard riding'.:D
M-sport yes, although you can spec SE suspension on M-sport models now.
SE is comfy, even with run flats.
My car floats over bumps that rattle your teeth in an S-line Audi.
But body control is still good, not sloppy.
 

Lee

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Mondeo estate? Very comfortable and I would imagine you'd have a choice of any spec for upto 15k.
 

paulyoung666

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Mondeo estate? Very comfortable and I would imagine you'd have a choice of any spec for upto 15k.
glad i skimmed down to the bottom of the thread , i was just about to say mk4 mondeo , you could get all the toys for £15000 :eek:
 

lovegroova

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If he wants comfort, then a Ford C-Max is apparently a very good bet. Lots of choice within budget too. Not sure if it's quite "estate-y" enough though.
 

Desmo

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If it's something he wants to keep until it dies then I'd be taking repair and service costs in to account also. A Mondeo is going to be far cheaper to run than a 3 series when things start going wrong.
 

paulyoung666

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If he wants comfort, then a Ford C-Max is apparently a very good bet. Lots of choice within budget too. Not sure if it's quite "estate-y" enough though.
no , not a c-max , hateful little things , now an s-max would be a different kettle of fish :smashin:
 

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